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Oct 1, 1998, 6:58pm

Oh Yes...I wish, I wish, I wish I had some rocks, ( a brain would be better)
but I'd settle for some rocks!! I want to build a park, but need some
rocks....btw, I don't even know how to make rocks using CAM's anybody mind
telling me?

P.S. does COF even read this stuff? Does anybody have a relatively recent
example of a wish from in here that actually came true? Just wondering,
cause I'm new to AW and the newsgroup
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Oct 1, 1998, 10:13pm

Thanx Cheese...I will :-) ...looking forward to seeing your site once it's
completely up to!!

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Oct 2, 1998, 11:28am

Um, I can see that wars and floods and tornadoes would be exciting.....lol,
but I go into AW to get some peace.....how do you envision that
working?...If it happens I hope there is a way for those who just want to be
mellow to not participate :-)

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Oct 3, 1998, 4:24pm

LOL, well I would choose peace over thrills any day, but the more I read
this newsgroup, and over hear folks talking in AW, I think I'd be awfully
lonely....would have hardly any neighbors there.. :-)


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Oct 8, 1998, 2:51pm

That is indeed a very interesting idea with many possibilities, but there is
one possibility I shudder to consider, I am poor in real life, lol, would
hate to go into AW take a break from the daily grind and then find I am poor
in VR too :-)

Marxist class struggle in AW anyone? :-p

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Oct 8, 1998, 2:52pm

Oh yes, then I could turn a street light into that chandelier I've been
wishing for!!!

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Oct 8, 1998, 3:04pm

LOL, first CloudS Tifa suggest we have a war in AW, then Jason Fox suggests
we put money into the mix (rich folks and poor folks in AW?), Now you want
to start killing people Nas? :-p

LOL, too much reality in VR.....

Actually I'm just kidding, its a valid idea, but how long do you consider to
long to be idle? Would I have to worry that if I'm building in the privacy
of my own AW home, and decide to go to the bathroom and to the kitchen to
grab a quick snack, that I'll come back and be disconnected? And one other
thing to consider, I do know some very nice people that are a bit shy and
prefer to just stand and listen to lively conversation more than they like
to participate in it, if they forget to ocasionally hit an arrow button to
move a little bit, will they be cut off without warning too?

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Oct 9, 1998, 3:37pm

That would be the perfect solution!!

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Oct 12, 1998, 9:45pm

You go get 'em tiger!! I was wondering if anyone else was thinking that the
whole idea of trying to make AW as messy as the real world was an AWFUL
idea!!

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Oct 14, 1998, 12:17pm

Ok, you so don't want to debate it with Scott D. Miller, well how about with
me?
Your Idea sucks!!!! I'm not saying that you suck, just that your idea sucks
and isn't going to fly in AW, so get over it and move on.

Maybe if you really want disease and death so bad you can invest in your own
world and figure out a way to implement it, but I bet you'll probably be
pretty lonely, cause who else but you would want to go there?

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Oct 15, 1998, 1:06pm

Are you referring to the "Hanta" virus? I didn't know that ground squirrels
were carriers, I thought it was just mice The droppings when stirred up, for
example by a broom when you are cleaning your house, release the pathogen
into the air where it is breathed in and infects the new host (human). But I
know floor sure you are dead on about the fatality rate, and it is indeed
extremely rare, but incidents are on the rise. BTW it is also in Texas and
Arizona.

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Oct 15, 1998, 1:33pm

Nas, you say you get bored with no chaos in AW, but maybe that's because you
don't have enough action in your real life? I'm not an old fogey, I'm only
25, but I don't find chaos to be fun at all, I've had enough of it in my
real life. I am vehement about not having disease in AW because I've had to
see friends wither away from the AIDS virus in real life, not to mention the
family members I've had to watch go through agony in battling cancer. Maybe
the "old fogeys" don't want that in AW cause they've lived long enough to
realize that it sucks!! Why would we want in AW? Maybe once you have been
out in the world long enough to lose YOUR sheltered way of looking at
things, you'll understand more. Death and disease aren't funny.....you'll
understand that concept when you grow up.

As far as "Gangs" in AW being funny, I wouldn't find it funny at all!! I
grew up in Los Angeles, and vandalism isn't fun. You ever had the front of
your house covered in graffiti and then had to worry that if you cleaned it
up you would be harassed in retaliation, or even shot? Hmm something to
think about....
If I found graffiti in my yard in AW, I'd be pretty upset!! Of course I
wouldn't have to worry about being shot, but I would have to consider being
harassed and like I said, I've had that in Real life, don't need it in here.

Allot of us use AW for entertainment, but we like to keep it as pleasant and
fun entertainment and there is nothing wrong with that at all.
There's nothing wrong with you wanting a little chaos either, but why not go
looking for it in a venue that is made for that type of
entertainment.....ever play Quake online?

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Oct 16, 1998, 2:25pm

Yes, it IS mostly desert rodents who carry the disease, but it has been
found in occasion in houses.

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Oct 16, 1998, 3:03pm

[View Quote] But it doesn't mean you need to bring it into VR either.


>And you call me sheltered? It's your view which is sheltered and maybe
>when you grow a bit more older you'll find that out.

How so buddy? I at least supported my claim that you don't know sh*t, so
tell me, how is it that I'm sheltered? I was homeless for a year at 18 I've
seen freinds die from aids, my sister die from being hit by a drunk driver,
both parents battle cancer, and my neighbor's face blown off over a gang
rivalry. I've lived in gang infested neighborhoods that would scare the hell
out of a pansy like you, so you better get clue before you make a claim like
that with no support.
I have my reasons for wanting AW to be a calm peaceful kind of place,
because yes, I do use it to escape. What of it Jerk?

If you find destruction and chaos funny it is indeed you who are
sheltered....if you live a little more, and EXPERIENCE it in your own life
YOU will understand, silly child.

>Besides, in a virtual world death and disease would be funny - since in
>this virtual world we suffer no physical loss or pain. Gangs vandalising
>property would be fun too as the property is not real and thus there is
>no real cost.

Why would it be funny? Making dead baby jokes doesn't actually kill babies,
or cause any physical loss or pain, but they are still disgusting, uncouth
and not funny. The same with jokes about disease or death. If you think it's
funny, fine, it just shows how juvenile your thought processes are.
And there is a real cost, I paid 20 bucks for this program and I'd be
pissed if anyone harrased me by vandalising my property or confined
me to a hospital.


> I find your argument fails to address anything except of
>the of the common good of the few who you represent.


The few? As I recall more than a few found your idea to be stupid, and you
certainly didn't have hords of people showing any positive interest in your
idea..


>Chaos would inject vigour into AW - Order causes a lack of variation
>which inevitabley results in a slow degenerative process.
>Order also restricts freedom - something which contradicts the concept
>of the medium though which it passes.

Your oppinion, but you aren't the only one in AW, and I have just as much a
right to my oppinion as you do to yours. I happen to feel that death and
disease aren't apropriate for a program like AW, and that your idea
restricts freedom....you think that requiring people to play this little
game of yours against their will encourages freedom?

>You finish with lame attack on Quake players(not that I played it) which
>obviously shows at which level you're mind was operating at when you
>wrote your reply.

You idiot!! I play Quake myself!! I wasn't attacking Quake players but
merely suggesting that instead of trying to make a venue like AW into a kind
of death entertainment that it is not meant to be, you go to a venue that is
meant to be violent, for example a shoot-em-up game like Quake. Like I said
"there is nothing wrong with wanting a little chaos" and suggested you go to
a venue that is MEANT for that sort of thing. I in no way implied that Quake
is bad....just that it is a great (and apropriate) place to go if you want
chaos.
Learn to read moron, cause trying to take my words out of context won't
work


>The main point is that the real world and the virtual world are
>different so the effect of a factor on one will not necessarily be the
>same effect on the other. Maybe if you thought a bit before you replied,
>you would have come to the same conclusion - then again, maybe not..

I did think about it, apparantly a lot more than you, I didn't have to take
your words out of context to make MY point. And yes the real world and VR
are very different, what's your hurry to make them the same?


>
>Nas
>
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Oct 16, 1998, 4:23pm

[View Quote] just because you haven't experienced chaos in your life, doesn't mean we
need your death and disease fantasies shoved down our throats!!


>Using that
>crap about people you knew who have died from the 'real world' is very
>under-hand way off stopping an argument which you can't win. Using >real
>life tragedies to influence a virtual world is nothing less then
>emotional blackmail.

How is it trying to win an argument...it is true, it's nothing I'm ashamed
of, it's just my experience and I used it to make a point, you can take it
or leave it, but don't ever try to call me sheltered dipsh*t.

>If you are really as screwed up as you say in your
>real life then maybe you should get counseling - AW is not a
>psychiatrist's couch!

I'm not screwed up, I have my priorities straight. I value the sense of
community to be found in AW, I value love and harmony and believe that death
and destruction aren't funny. Mabey you're the one who need a pstchiatrist's
couch if you beleive that death and disease are laughing matters, cause that
is pretty sick!!


>You live in some real shit-hole by all accounts but not everyone does,
>so stop forcing it down our throats!

I've seen death, and the destruction that can be caused by gangs, and was
telling you about it so you could understand why these things AREN'T FUNNY.
I did so because I can only assume that if you think they are funny you
don't know anything about them first hand. I don't live in a shit-hole, but
I have in the past, and was explaining it to you because if you think they
are funny you must live in some la la land (mabey mommies house?) and have
little life experience...and like I said earlier I'm not trying to cram
anything down your throat, I just don't want your death and disease
fantasies crammed down mine.


And what the hell is the reference
>to 'dead baby jokes' about??? I have never heard or told such a joke,
>and quite frankly, it disturbs me that you do.

I never said that I do, so again if you are going to debate don't take words
out of context because it makes you look like a fool.
I was using the reference as an example to explain to you, you feeble
minded thing, that just because a thing doesn't cause "physical" harm
doesn't mean it's ok.

>
>You say 'learn to read moron',: but I think the bitter shit you come out
>with is too depressing to read in detail - you need help.

That was in reference to how you so conveniently take words out of context
to make your point, because you don't have the intellect to do otherwise.
and like I said you don't know anything about death and disease in real life
so mabey you souldn't talk about things you are not qaulified to talk about.
You are the one who needs help, you are the one with a warped sense of
humor.

>
>You end up by saying that i wasn't to make the real world and AW the
>same: this is case where you should have 'learn to read moron'. I said
>it is the fact that these to worlds are different that death and disease
>will not be regarded the same. And I don't care about that crap about
>people dying and suffering in the real world - the fact that AW is
>virtual disarms their effects.


Like I said earlier, just because something doesn't cause "physical" damage,
doesn't mean it's ok.

>One word of advice - it's not very tasteful to use real life accounts,
>especially your own family, of people dying and suffering to win an
>argument about something which is, in fact, quite trivial.>
>Get help - it sounds like you need it.
>Nas

You are in no way qualified to decide what is tasteful or not when you have
a sense of humor that is VERY distasteful. I am a real person, and I have
every right to use my life and my experience in my conversations and
debates. And again I am not the one who needs help, I don't find death and
disease trivial at all, in any context. You apparantly do, and that is
SICK....please go see a counselor, I see a budding serial killer in the
making, if you think death and gang violence are "funny" and "trivial"

Oct 16, 1998, 7:10pm

LOL

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Oct 19, 1998, 6:07pm

[View Quote] I said "don't ever call me sheltered dipshit" If you had the ability to read
a sentence correctly you would understand....I was calling you a
dipshit...you freaking moronic boob!!!

>I couldn't read the rest of your 'moral authority' lecture - I didn't
>have any weeping violins about...
>I NEVER said that real life death was funny - I said that virtual death
>and disease would be, I told you to read before you reply but the steam
>coming out of your ears probably blurred your sight.

Your sight is blurry even without being angry...you are about the most
illogical person who's posts I have ever had the displeasure to read.

>I need help , you say? I'm not the one that's so screwed up
>psychologically that he can't handle a bit of 'make-believe' ill and
>death.

Never said I couldn't handle make beleive illness (what the hell is ill? Go
to school and learn your tenses you fool ) and death, like I said, I play
Quake and other games that are steeped in it.
What I was saying you simpleton, is that I don't want it in AW


>I suppose you're the kind of geezer who says that TV violence
>invokes folk to leav etheir comfy sofas and go out kill a few
>neighbours?
>If you are stupid enough you believe that kind of armchair psychology
>then you are very gullible.

But I am obviously better educated than you, I can comprehend what I read, I
don't need to take your words out of context to make my point (which you
do), and I can write an intelligible sentence which you are unable to do
about 50% of the time.
And as far as your claims about "armchair psychology".....there are many
studies (active...ie. done in a laboratory setting and not in an armachair)
that prove that "fictional" violence has an effect on real life, the only
thing to be settled is how EXTENSIVE those effects may be...get out of YOUR
armchair you lazy numbscull and do some reading .

>I am not qualified to say what is tasteful? whereas you are?? If you
>ruled the world then we all would live in nice pink wendy houses smiling
>and lauging like ignorant children whilst some country in the despot
>what carrying out ethnic cleansing just around the block.

"whilst some country in the despot
what carrying out ethnic cleansing just around the block."
Is that supposed to be English?? Wow you are really Stupid!!
As for me ruling the world it wouldn't be as you say, but I would outlaw
idiots, so you would definately have no place in my utopia.

> You endlessly
>use the word 'real' when you're views are so unreal. If you weren't so
>shell-shocked from so-called 'gang-violence' then maybe you could >see

My views are not unreal, I veiw you as a total moron and loser, and everyone
I have shown this thread to agrees with me!!

>that being Mary Whitehouse is not the end-all of everything.
>Again you err by quoting me saying that death and violence is funny -
>and you say I take words out of context?!? You admitted that you playing
>Quake and that's not real is it? AW is not real is it? So what is the
>difference you demented fraggle?

Well you did say it was funny, it doesn't matter what context you find it
funny in, my argument is that it isn't funny in any context.

And what the hell is a Fraggle ya dope? If you are going to insult then at
least try and make it a good one!!


>Nas 'hasn't killed anyone yet - but one more Jerry Springer >episode..'

You may not have killed anyone, but you cause a great deal of pain (in my
ass) with your idiotic statements and foolish arguments.....maybe we'd be
better off if we did let disease in ....as long as YOU were the only one to
get infected and die.

Oct 19, 1998, 6:11pm

LOL, I second you nomination

PS. I agree here too, I just quit smoking and am having a blast replying to
Nas...is very cathartic (whenever I'm having a nicotine fit, I know I can go
in and find one of his replies to reply to!!!)

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Oct 19, 1998, 7:02pm

Yes I insulted you!! And it wasn't merely about your grammer (which is
pretty annoying but not a sin in and of itself) but also about your
ILLOGICAL responses and your inability to debate without twisting the other
person's words. I did not break, I simply responded to the fact that
language counts in this debate, since you are the one who started your
points by twisting words and taking them out of context.

What you must remember is that before I ever got nasty with you over all
these posts, you made some very contrivercial statements...In your third
post, when people had thus far only politely disagreed with your idea,you
stated

"The way forward is super-realism anf if AWdoesn't go with this flow it will
be left behind inhabitted by narrow minded folk like yourself."

This statement effectively implied that anyone who dares to disagree with
you is "narrow minded". That is a pretty extreem statement to make just
because people didn't agree with you. So why are you so suprised that I
should vehemently argue with you, when you called me narrow minded just
because I didn't like your idea?

If you look at my last post where I note your poor writing, it is because it
is hard to have a clear debate with someone who can't express themselves
clearly and with logic. How can I not resort to picking over language when
in almost every one of your replies to me, you twisted my words to make a
point you couldn't have made without doing so? But anyways I'm glad you are
delighted...I have found debating with you very delightful, you make it so
easy with your FUZZY LOGIC and garbled writng.

But in the long run this is getting us nowhere, so why don't we just agree
to disagree? This has been most enjoyable, but it is starting to get boring
for me, and for you also I'm sure. I can no more get you to see my point of
view than you can get me to agree with you....
I still think you are an idiot, and I'm sure you feel the same about me so
why don't we just agree that we have no great affection for each other and
leave it at that ok?


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