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Nov 10, 1998, 11:52pm

i am totally opposed to adding real money into AW

[View Quote] > Sorry to confuse you but I have no opinion on the pros or cons of this issue, if it is, in fact,
> an issue in the first place.
>
> As I understand it both virtual and real money would be marvelous additions to the AW sphere of
> options. Virtual money will open up some in-world commerce options as Canopus detailed in his
> robot market analysis. Real money would take worlds into the real world market and people will
> start selling products that can take advantage of the 3D visual environment.
>
> Virtual money is simpler to implement so I expect that will be done first but I hope that this
> exciting technology will get into the real money realm because that is were real financial
> investment will start enhancing the pace of change at AW.
>
> Edward Sumerfield.
>
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Oct 24, 1998, 6:46pm

what specifically does reason 444 mean.

Oct 25, 1998, 8:49pm

Its E++ :)

[View Quote] > Is that C or C++? :)
>
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Oct 26, 1998, 10:27am

if i log in a bot under one Citnumber, can i place an object that
belongs to another Citnumber?
eg:
logn as 610932
place an obj as 271946

Oct 26, 1998, 7:33pm

thats not what i meant. i mean, can i log in with 1# and build with
another?

[View Quote] > To do work on someone else's objects, you'll need to get a privilege
> password from them. See Changing The Owner, above, for some possibly
> relevant information and one solution.
>
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Oct 27, 1998, 11:22pm

Ive done some of those things and they can probably all be done

[View Quote] > WEas thinknig that someone could make a chatprogram with the sdk for
> citizens who don't wanna run the renderware drivers at the time the
> follwoing would be possible if it was done
>
> *teleport in the world

done it in dos and win32

> *world switching

done it in dos and win32

> *showing ps's, tourists, and citizens in their proper text

That would require you to be able to get a list of who is a PS

> *whispering (2.1 worlds)

thats easy.{
gets(buffer);
aw_whisper(session, buffer); //something like this

> *list of people near you

you'd need a linked list(unless you set a limit). not very easy, but
doable

> (showing PS's with a at next to their name,

same problem as recognizing their special speech

> tourists with "'s around their name

that you can do by checking their citnum, and when a bot recieves their
name in a chat instance, the ""s are included

> and citizens as regular

easy

> *eject

you have to ask roland if there is a function for that

> *if you have caretaker in a world you can add ps's by clciking the
> person on the list

a list is possible in win32, but not in dos(i dont think without
extensive coding). you can add anyone if you have their cit#, and you
can get that with an sdk function (citnum(blablabla) i think)

> *a 2d map of the positions of the avatars around you

i thought of that for objects, but im not sure how you can get the
position of avs.

>
>
> *and a lot lot more!

Oct 28, 1998, 12:42am

sure. there are only 2 or 3 things i doubt can be done

[View Quote] > Yes but I mean in a nice little windows GUI
>
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Oct 28, 1998, 9:58am

please tell me how

[View Quote] > Bots can detect if it is a PS :) (by seeing if the text is broadcast)
> and their is an eject feature :)
>
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Oct 28, 1998, 10:58pm

thanks

[View Quote] > Read the webpages...
>
> and avatar positions cna be detected by AW_AVATAR_CHANGE
>
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Nov 1, 1998, 7:10pm

did you create an app or a console program? you cant use an app because it
doesnt create a window, which causes your error. you need to make a console
program.

[View Quote] > I get the following error with Visual C++ .. I have disabled MFC and placed
> the /Tc option to generate plain C, but I cannot find a solution to the
> following. Sorry, but I am trying to get into C.
>
> Lucio
>
> --------------------Configuration: ActiveBot - Win32
> Debug--------------------
> Linking...
> LIBCD.lib(wwincrt0.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol
> _wWinMain at 16
> Debug/ActiveBot.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 1 unresolved externals
> Error executing link.exe.
>
> ActiveBot.exe - 2 error(s), 0 warning(s)

Nov 3, 1998, 6:52pm

sorry. no such luck. try scripting Hambot. maybe someday someone with some
compiler source code will develop an automatic bot builder. but until then
you are out of luck until you learn to program

[View Quote] > How do I get this to work if I'm not a programmer?? Do I use a program??

Nov 5, 1998, 8:57pm

greet, say goodbye, log chat, talk with others, provide info, build, the
list goes on and on. It can do almost anything a citizen can do. Im even
working on a bot that uses queries to generate a 3D image of what is
around it, sort of the aw browser, but for bots. only problem is using
graphics, which is a pain in Windows. apparently there is no way to
directly manipulate pixels of the screen, so im stuck with some twisted
maze of documentation on grpahics.

[View Quote] > well what can they do?
> the only real bots i've seen are hambots (exspecially in $vegas$)
> sorry, i'm not to good with these things <8^)
>
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Nov 6, 1998, 10:17am

sorry but your gonna have to be a bit more specific.

[View Quote] > well, i just want one that's more lik a citisen that you can talk to, hambot
> is too boring and i know nothing about programming this thing, took forever
> to edit a script for hambot <8^)
>
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Nov 5, 1998, 9:04pm

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Nov 5, 1998, 11:45pm

sh*t. thought i worked that out.

[View Quote] > how about the "Not too simple MCF40D.DLL" which is missing from your up=
load?
>
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Nov 6, 1998, 5:46pm

thanks

[View Quote] > Don't post the mfc debug dll here...
>
> either compile in release mode (you should do that anyway for a "release"
> ) )
>
> or switch to static linkage of MFC if your programm is really that simple..
>
> Walter
>
> Jw schrieb in Nachricht <364254C7.40142812 at mediaone.net>...
> sh*t. thought i worked that out.
>
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Nov 6, 1998, 5:51pm

oh yeah. forgot. ill get one. but i did say what was in the message in the
title.

[View Quote] > Hey Jw... this is one of those times just a *url* would come in handy... :)
>
> --
>
> Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik
> ICQ: 11760568 ISG RhinoSoft
> fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com
>
> Real computer scientists despise the idea of actual hardware. Hardware has
> limitations, software doesn't. It's a real shame that Turing machines are so
> poor at I/O.
>
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Nov 6, 1998, 6:08pm

reasoner release version has been uploaded
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/debleser/progs/reasoner.exe

[View Quote] > thanks
>
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Nov 7, 1998, 6:40pm

oh. didnt know that

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Nov 7, 1998, 8:34pm

although if someone were to get ahold of a list for a world, conversations
wouldnt be so funny anymore. :)

[View Quote] > Not the filter "Swap" list I suggested long ago....
> imagine a list of words in a user editalbe text file...
>
> like
>
> shit=poopoo
> hell=bad place
> ass=rear end
> ....
>
> now imagine the browser filtering chat and substituting the user defined
> substitutes at runtime... easy to do with the code too!
>
> So now when a jerk starts using any of the listed words... he looks more
> pitiful or funny than rude...
>
> I would have a nice custom list if it was there to use.
>
> :)

Oct 26, 1998, 12:39am

you can do that with FTP! someone shold try that!

[View Quote] > sure it could , just set the object path as
> http://logon:password at www.domain.com/~your_page/world_directory
>
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Oct 26, 1998, 9:57am

what info. you said http://logon:password at address woud me useful if it worked.
im saying that ftp://logon:password at adress works, and would work for this
situation

[View Quote] > with all due respect ..........
>
> DUUHHH !!
> of course you can ,or I wouldn't havve posted that info :-)
> but it works or it wouldn't be a standard , now would it ?
>
> uuummm never mind :-P~~
>
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Oct 26, 1998, 7:35pm

never seen it done through http

[View Quote] > yes both will work .
> you can access a file ( or files ) in a passworded folder by including the
> logon/pw as part of of the
> http or ftp address .
> BUT it is safer to have the aw browser access the objects thru the http
> protocol.
>
[View Quote]

Oct 26, 1998, 10:42pm

I know it makes sense, but ive never seen it implemented and dont knwo how to do it.

[View Quote] > It makes sense that it would work both through http and ftp... oh and BTW, at
> least in 'create sound', AW doesn't accept ftp://ftp.ftpsite.com as a URL - it has
> to start with http://, and thus you are praying that the ftp server has a web
> server running on the same machine.
>
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Oct 22, 1998, 10:35pm

i dont know why anyone hasnt ever asked the general people what kind of
world they want. I am asking that question now. What do you want in a
world. I am interested in seeing what is popular and maybe making it a
reality.

Jw

Oct 23, 1998, 7:55pm

ok. just wanted everyones opinion

[View Quote] > Please do not crosspost your posts to so many newsgroups. At least, please
> don't crosspost to the SDK newsgroup when your post is not related to the
> SDK. Thanks!
>
> -Roland
>
> ps. if you are going to reply to this thread, please be sure to check the
> "Newsgroups:" field of your post and remove "sdk" before posting your reply.
>
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Nov 6, 1998, 10:20pm

i might try that with bots and stuff.


[View Quote] > I think that we really need a world where it is like the real world. Where it
> would take money to get supplies to build something. And then you would sell stuff
> or you would do some kind of service. Such as police, fire, hospital,
> construction, autosales (you would drive around not walk) airports, spaceport,
> ect, ect, ect. You would make money to buy food clothes other persoanl items
> (comb, toothpaste) if you wanted that kind of detail. But mostly to buy more
> supplies and make a better building and or make better products to sell for more
> money. What do you think of this. You can change the ideas but i would love to
> see a world that had a point to it not just build for the heck of it. That would
> be so much more fun.
>
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Nov 7, 1998, 6:45pm

OVER MY DEAD BODY!! I WAS TALKING ABOUT VIRTUAL MONEY, NOT REAL MONEY!! THAT WOULD RUIN
ACTIVEWORLDS!!

[View Quote] > [Too many cross posts, snip worldbuilders and awcommunity]
>
> As soon as you get financial you are going to have to get AW involved because they will
> have to build in-world interfaces that support secure interactions. Just chatting "heres
> 10 bucks" will not do it.
>
> 1. You are going to have citizen owned objects that represent money and no one, not
> even all powerful, world owners can delete them.
>
> 2. There must be a means to purchase these objects, it would have to be something
> built into the browser that allows you to enter your credit card number then connects to
> the world server to register the purchase.
>
> 3. You will have to be able to have these objects available but not sitting in a pile
> in-world. It would be a shame to have to have a pile of little gold bars sitting in the
> corner of your house that represented all your money. The browser, world interaction
> would have to be able to dynamically create a gold bar when needed.
>
> 4. Once a gold bar is generated you need a secure means of transferring ownership to
> another citizen. Again the browser must have something built into it to support money
> ownership changes that is very secure.
>
> 5. And, of coarse, you need a way of cashing in your money. Maybe putting it back on
> your credit card.
>
> None of this is easy.
>
> Edward Sumerfield.
>
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Nov 9, 1998, 7:25pm

Are you saying that you agree with virtual money or real money?

[View Quote] > An interesting concept, not your dead body, but the idea of making money non financial. I
> guess I would have to ask why because I can't see any in-world stuff that I would want to
> purchase with it. Unless you wanted to start a poker league maybe.
>
> Edward Sumerfield
>
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Nov 10, 1998, 11:52pm

i am totally opposed to adding real money into AW

[View Quote] > Sorry to confuse you but I have no opinion on the pros or cons of this issue, if it is, in fact,
> an issue in the first place.
>
> As I understand it both virtual and real money would be marvelous additions to the AW sphere of
> options. Virtual money will open up some in-world commerce options as Canopus detailed in his
> robot market analysis. Real money would take worlds into the real world market and people will
> start selling products that can take advantage of the 3D visual environment.
>
> Virtual money is simpler to implement so I expect that will be done first but I hope that this
> exciting technology will get into the real money realm because that is were real financial
> investment will start enhancing the pace of change at AW.
>
> Edward Sumerfield.
>
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