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the derek // User Search
the derek // User Search
Aug 31, 2001, 3:39am
.... on a past post you said you DID your research?
now you said you didnt im about 2 dumbass posts
away from totally filtering you
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> Well, I am in several free services now which are not Active Worlds, also I
> am in pay services which are not Active Worlds also.
>
> They seem to get the idea. When you sell something, you provide costs
> beforehand to the tourist when they are registering for what they want.
> Then, they can make the decision to get a world or a citizenship.
>
> I would have bought a world if I knew the citizenship came with the world.
> That would have given them more money and saved me money in the long run.
> If Active Worlds doesn't care about that, I don't care about Active Worlds.
> Keep milking their product you guys.
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3b8ecd1a at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> now
> just
> world,
> with
> again.
> I
> they
> before
> teachers
> then,
> Worlds
> the
> to
> response
> flagg:::.
> didn't
> all
> citizenships,
> THE
> out
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Aug 31, 2001, 3:40am
i never said you did... since they dont its not
awcoms fault for what they teach and would you
STOP twisting my words around and nitpicking at
them so they say what YOU WANT them to say?
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> I never said the teachers there worked for Active Worlds. Get your facts
> straight.
>
> "the derek" <ImTheDerek at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3B8E89CA.5269A9AC at yahoo.com...
> have
> and
> comes
> the
> the
> is
> long
> citizen
> they
> their
> front
> on
> could
> a
> knowing
> cares
> have
> (in
> if
> someone
> BRAIN!!!
> just
> give a
> what
> "please
> want
> you
> info
> buying
> want to
> don't
> research
> It
> but
> to
> the
> could
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Aug 31, 2001, 3:43am
nevermind didnt rea dlower lower he says he didnt
know about it... sounds like hes just saying to
crap to make people think hes right
[View Quote]the derek wrote:
>
> ok i think im starting to finally get at what
> marcus is saying hes saying he did his homework
> but he thinks that awcom should do a better job at
> informing tourists? well they do NOT need to do
> this heres why:
> you ask ANY citizen and they will know
> the GKs will tell you you get free cits from
> worlds
> tourists have to visit the home page SOMETIME and
> they will see a products page and on it is
> citizen pricing AND world pricing and info
> so basically this info is EVERYWHERE on aw ecept
> the register now button and if you dont do your
> reasearch then it is YOUR FAULT and YOUR LOSS i
> mean you yourself and EVERYONE here did their
> research so why are you blabing on about it?
>
> m a r c u s wrote:
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Aug 31, 2001, 2:15pm
what you forget is that it is a gift. normally i
wouldnt think a tourist would be able to build a
very good world before being a cit first. you used
to actually HAVE to BE a cit and yet they still
gave free cits... cause it was a gift it wasnt
meant to be the first citizenship. if they do put
any info on the browser it would have to be in the
random immigration officer messages not the
register now button
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> I do think I am right, I wouldn't be spending now 8 months trying to inform
> people of this if I thought I was wrong.
>
> I signed up in December and found out in January that worlds come with a
> citizenship that I don't need. I would have paid the extra $60 for a world,
> and then have established myself in the AW community, then perhaps expanded
> my world giving Active Worlds more money. If Active Worlds doesn't care
> about saving the citizen money, then I don't care about Active Worlds. They
> could have had a sale lost out by not informing the person within the
> program they programmed which has a register button which would have
> informed the tourist they could also get a world which would include a
> citizenship.
>
> That's all I am asking, if I can type it a bajillion times since January, I
> am sure they can type it just once for the new tourists.
>
> "the derek" <ImTheDerek at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3B8F220A.6F838CAC at yahoo.com...
> $20.
> have
> care
> add
> the
> NEED!!
> should
> he/she
> point
> can
> the
> finding
> claim
> this
> dive
> supposed
> fraudulent,
> you
> you
> fact:
> don't
> world,
> when it
> for
> with
> again.
> until it
> people I
> as
> once they
> LEGAL
> before
> of
> the
> teachers
> I
> then,
> to
> Worlds
> who
> flamers,
> the
> (in
> if
> someone
> BRAIN!!!
> just
> give a
> flagg:::.
> what
> "please
> want
> you
> info
> buying
> to
> don't
> research
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Aug 31, 2001, 4:00pm
the button isnt the only way to register its just
a quick way to do it by CC
and *looks over to sw*
WE DONT CARE :o)
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> There is no reference to a url in which you mention Flagg. I don't know
> what to make out of an intent unless I see a page that says "your
> citizenship to the world is not intended for you but for you to give to a
> friend". You need to show me a url that makes this kind of intent or Flagg
> more accurately since he is the one who asserted.
>
> I am not talking about renewing, I am talking about openly disclosing the
> terms of purchase on a citizenship in which they inform a tourist which
> click "register now" in the program that they do have and that they did make
> (I am not making this up)that a world also comes with a citizenship. THEY
> DO DO THIS, this is what they do with the register button, and I am saying
> they should complete the "register now" button to let the person know.
>
> It should be in one location, and they CHOSE, not me, BUT ACTIVE WORLDS
> CHOSE, to make it so you clicked the register now button.
>
> I DIDN'T CHOOSE IT, ACTIVE WORLDS DID!!! They made the button and why don't
> they put the information when you register there.
>
> "builderz" <sawran at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3B8FA6C1.6B477FAB at yahoo.com...
> up
> becoming
> $20
> others
> you
> had
> upsized
> when
> $60,
> into
> my
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Aug 31, 2001, 4:02pm
lol they didnt lie to you and once again
we
dont
care
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> I am sure I can do a lot of things, but when I offered to pay $60 for a
> world and they could use the $20 I already paid for a citizenship they
> didn't accept they. They wanted $100 total from me, when I would have paid
> them eventually 200 for a world after developing it a couple years. Maybe
> even more money would have been given to them by me, I don't know.
>
> I like the program, but I don't like how they operate. It reminds me of car
> salesman tactics just to squeeze more money out of us and I ain't getting
> squeezed.
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3b8fb666 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> January,
> I
> would
> don't
> a
> buyer
> to
> there
> You
> you
> Because
> maybe
> stating
> the
> costs
> informed
> out
> have
> Active
> company
> responding
> wasn't
> might
> this
> website
> any
> Otherwise,
> THE
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m a r c u s wrote:
>
> I am sure I can do a lot of things, but when I offered to pay $60 for a
> world and they could use the $20 I already paid for a citizenship they
> didn't accept they. They wanted $100 total from me, when I would have paid
> them eventually 200 for a world after developing it a couple years. Maybe
> even more money would have been given to them by me, I don't know.
>
> I like the program, but I don't like how they operate. It reminds me of car
> salesman tactics just to squeeze more money out of us and I ain't getting
> squeezed.
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3b8fb666 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> January,
> I
> would
> don't
> a
> buyer
> to
> there
> You
> you
> Because
> maybe
> stating
> the
> costs
> informed
> out
> have
> Active
> company
> responding
> wasn't
> might
> this
> website
> any
> Otherwise,
> THE
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Aug 31, 2001, 4:02pm
....? because there is a setup fee which is 70?
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> If it is so free, why can't we buy a world for $60 then? think about it
>
> "the derek" <ImTheDerek at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3B8FB5D6.216754F2 at yahoo.com...
> inform
> world,
> expanded
> They
> January, I
> your
> bought
> I am
> would
> don't
> and
> have
> a
> buyer
> to
> you
> there
> You
> that
> you
> Because
> maybe
> stating
> the
> gave
> come
> over
> for
> the
> costs
> informed
> out in
> have
> but
> least
> world
> continued
> Active
> company
> got
> responding to
> response
> wasn't
> might
> know
> didn't
> this
> website
> any
> all
> citizenships,
> want
> Otherwise,
> It
> THE
> but
> to
> the
> could
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Sep 1, 2001, 5:57am
give it a rest flagg has already proved your just
trying to get attention they offered to refund you
and you refused so shut up and im not so sure aw
would be too unhappy to see YOU leave :P
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> My citizenship hasn't run out, and Active Worlds hasn't refunded me
> anything. So this is how I plan on spending my "dying days" on Active
> Worlds.
>
> I want you guys to know what has happened. The more people you sucker in
> the more money Active Worlds gets to develop the program, so I can
> understand why you are not going to take the position I am.
>
> I have nothing to lose, I bought no world. I can tell the truth and state
> ways the service could be run more fairly.
>
> "goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote in message
> news:3B90490D.7040601 at acsu.buffalo.edu...
> know
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Sep 1, 2001, 6:00am
how does something FREE have a 20 dollar value LOL
ooh i ahve a free watch it has a million dollar
value cause i think i should be refunded that much
cause i already have a watch LOL
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> "Free citizens that come with a world have no value, they are a free gift
> (no
> matter how you want to look at it)."
>
> They appear to have a $20 value, please give me something accurate Flagg
>
> "When you orginally contacted us via e-mail what you wanted was the ability
> to change AW's backdrop and you were upset that you had to buy a world if
> you wanted backdrop control. Then you felt that we had mislead you because
> you relized worlds came with free
> citizens and you had to buy yours."
>
> I DID feel misled back in Jan, but still liked the program so I figured
> "well, if there was a way I could change the background it wouldn't matter
> if I had a world cause I don't need to create new objects or have my own
> avatars." The background is the feature I wanted. I came to you guys
> working with your system you have in place asking "hey, if you are going to
> add a citizen with a world I don't need, then give me the background I
> need". That is the offer I made, if you refused it fine NO MONEY FOR YOU
> THEN. Please give me something accurate Flagg, you are not seeing my
> position clearly if you assumed I didn't feel misled FROM THE VERY START in
> January when I found out worlds came with a citizenship WHICH Active Worlds
> DOES sell for about $20.00.
>
> If you were going to refund anything, why didn't close my account, credit my
> $20 to a world or refund it entirely. You didn't, you held on to it like a
> grubby salesman. Now you say you would have. Well, I am saying Active
> Worlds could have, and they DIDN'T.
>
> "I fully understand the issue revolving around this thread and the orginal
> issue you had with us months ago."
>
> You obviously don't, you are just making up false arguments to make me look
> bad. My offer was to pay Activeworlds on a 2 year plan, where in the end
> you would have more money. You refused that. Now you can walk away
> with -$180, you only have $20 of my money.
>
> "flagg" <tom at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
> news:3b8fe8b4$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> (no
> at
> a
> via
> were
> you
> your
> you
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Sep 1, 2001, 6:03am
> Charging 20 for a citizen and then giving one for free with a purchase of a
> world doesn't sell. I could have had a world with citizen.
so? they do this to sell the worlds more this way
you can have more bots are a cit to use as a
"privilege cit" so everything in the world is
built under the same person it was not first given
out to be used as a normal cit... i dont see how a
tourist would be able to run a well run world
without being a cit first?
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> Nothing to prove, this is decision, does Active Worlds want to make money?
> then they have to make a service as well as a product that SELLS!!!
>
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>
[View Quote]> "kellee" <kellee at my.activeworlds.com> wrote in message
> news:3b904c26 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> white
> i
> Flagg
> figured
> own
> going
> START
> Active
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Sep 1, 2001, 6:04am
hmm can you explain what he lied about a little
further? just saying he lied makes you look like
an even bigger idiot
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> I will reply, and since there was a lot of inaccurate statements, I wanted
> to clarify them.
>
> Flagg is not making an accurate run down of the situation at hand. I don't
> think it is deliberate, and I don't care if it is, but I do want the truth
> to be out so I responded with the areas I felt needed clarification and
> correction.
>
> "builderz" <sawran at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3B904419.3DA37C4C at yahoo.com...
> gift
> ability
> if
> because
> matter
> to
> YOU
> in
> Worlds
> credit my
> like a
> orginal
> look
> end
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Sep 1, 2001, 9:37pm
i think you are too young to understand thats
basically what he said he would do... just give it
up if you stop complaining it might not be too
late to accept the deal
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> As Flagg has stated in another post, he already offered to replace one
> of the free citships with yours, and you essentially ignored it.
>
> I never did such a thing. I am here now because no one refunded the money I
> paid. If it was refunded I would have bought a world and be building instead
> of bickering with you guys about somethingt that seems obvious:
>
> Can't anybody else see the logic in this?
>
> Plan A: $80 for a world with citizenship
> Plan B: Pay $20 for citizenship, then later pay $80 for a world and a free
> second citizenship you don't need making a total of $100 ($80+$20)
>
> $100 or $80? I would rather go with $80, Plan A
>
> "goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote in message
> news:3B907FB4.4070206 at acsu.buffalo.edu...
> in
> state
> to
> which
> did
> know.
> WORLDS
> why
> browser
> don't
> the
> on
> found
> "hiding"
> even
> have
> you
> bingo
> for
> over
> much,
> charged
> to
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Sep 1, 2001, 9:42pm
like i said i think youre too young to understand
whats at hand they said theyd move your cit over
to the world and thus when you renewed the world
it would renew your cit. you cant expect them to
refund money youve used for 1 or 2 months already.
i think since youre so young (or acting like it
anyway) you think the world should revolve around
you and that aw is trying to cheat you out of
money
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> "If you got your citship, and then decided to buy a world months later...."
>
> Bzzzzz, WRONG!!! My citizenship runs out at the end of december. It was in
> Jan (about 2-3 weeks after acquiring my citizenship)that I wanted to
> switchover to a world cause that is when I found out Active Worlds gives at
> least one citizenship with the purcahse of a world.
>
> I haven't used my citizenship for building like I would have if I had a
> world. That is what I am trying to tell you. I stopped building in March.
> In april I feel I still used the services to show friends of mine what I
> built, but now the world I built it in is gone. If I had my own world like I
> requested in Jan and did the switchover, I would still have it. At least I
> have Xelagot backup of the build and if the world comes back I can have the
> owner rebuild it for me hopefully.
>
> "goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote in message
> news:3B912323.6030803 at acsu.buffalo.edu...
> money I
> instead
> free
> give
> or
> disclosing
> citizenship.
> would
> and
> contact
> new
> build
> Server
> a
> new
> People
> after
> your
> could
> have
> more
> that
> ???
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Sep 1, 2001, 9:45pm
i guess i got so annoyed by the idiot i forgot how
long this thread got *hits his filter button* bye
m a r c u s
[View Quote]sw chris wrote:
>
> There is no extra 20 dollars the citizens are being thrown in at a loss to
> active worlds because they're free. The term "Their loss is your gain" does
> not apply here.
>
> Derek, I suggest you follow my suit and say that your next post will be the
> last on this issue. :) We don't care is working, but it's annoying the
> heck out of the other posters here. So... this will be my last post on
> this issue. And we don't care about your delusions of corporate conspiracy,
> marcus. Suffer in peace.
>
> SW Chris
>
> "m a r c u s" <i_have_a_site at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3b90c389$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> they
> provided
> citizen?
> it
> is
> lets
> previous
> accurate
> have
> you
> are
> MONEY
> seeing
> VERY
> account,
> to
> the
> in
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Sep 1, 2001, 9:46pm
whats the differenc ebetween inaccurate and lying
lol dammit my filter hasnt worked yet but since it
hasnt i cant resists replying :P
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
>
> I didn't say he lied, I said he was inaccurate like your reading is.
>
> "the derek" <ImTheDerek at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3B909406.62D8A62C at yahoo.com...
> wanted
> don't
> truth
> Flagg
> world
> figured
> own
> guys
> going
> I
> FOR
> START
> Active
> me
> the
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Sep 1, 2001, 9:47pm
lmao i think i want a refund too
[View Quote]nornny wrote:
>
> Well laddy da! There IS NO Plan A and Plan B. You get the cit. Too bad.
> AWCOM scammed you in such a horrible way, but they're not going to change it
> for you. Apparently, they don't want to make "money" the way you do, so let
> them go on scamming the entire AW uniserver and continue concentrating on
> lightening that big head of yours. I didn't pay 20 bucks to read this crap,
> you don't see me looking for a refund.
>
> Nornny
>
> "m a r c u s" <i_have_a_site at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3b90c4bd$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Sep 2, 2001, 12:58am
ahem netscape says 160...oops 161 :o) lol
[View Quote]nova wrote:
>
> holy omg i dont think ive ever seen a longer thread
> um dont you all think thsi one should um well i dont know die off haha
> 146 total replys to it includeign this one sheesh :)
> has to be a record
> "moff piett" <piett at home.com> wrote in message
> news:3b913125$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> this.
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Sep 3, 2001, 5:05pm
give it up filter him hes too stupid to get it hes
even too stupid to reply in ONE message
and marcus the 70 buck fee is a ONE TIME charge
stop saying its 80 bucks a year
[View Quote]kah wrote:
>
> You still aren't getting it are you? I'll tell you some AW basics... a
> citizenship ($19.95) only lasts for one (1) year, to continue to use a
> citizenship, you have to renew it (another $19.95 for another year). The
> free citizenships that come with worlds are renewed when the world is
> renewed (no $19.95 charged). So, when you had renewed your **hypothetical**
> P10 world with a 5 user limit ($10 for another year), the attached
> citizenship would be renewed as well. So, if you had taken Flagg's offer to
> attach your existing citizenship to your world, you wouldn't need to renew
> it anymore, the renewal would be free. So, even if you didn't get your
> $19.95 that you payed when you originally bought your citizenship, you would
> have saved $19.95 every year. Ergo, you turned down an offer that would've
> done exactly what you wanted (even more), just not immediately. Now will you
> shut up? I'm tired off showing you your stupidity...
>
> KAH
>
> "m a r c u s" <i_have_a_site at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3b92ce2f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> again.
> Do
> I
> new
> <<<<SNiP>>>>>
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Aug 29, 2001, 9:12pm
what trolls? i haven't seen a bride anywhere :P
anyone who argues with him listen to him i found
out the hard way :/
[View Quote]sw chris wrote:
>
> There are some people who come to this newsgroup and expect the newsgroup to
> follow their rules of common decency... when in fact they should figure out
> how the newsgroup works and post according to those unwritten rules.... And
> to those of you who just might rebut this message... you can't write down
> every rule, there's just too many. :)
>
> Anyways... if you encounter this phenomenon, don't feed the trolls! If they
> don't figure it out after a time, throw them in the barbeque pit and turn up
> the heat! :D
>
> This has been a public service announcement brought to you by Logger's
> Restaraunt. :)
>
> SW Chris
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Aug 29, 2001, 9:45pm
you are him
[View Quote]sw chris wrote:
>
> Who is him?
>
> :)
> --
> Chris
> Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and Kung Fu Master?
> http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html
>
> "the derek" <ImTheDerek at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3B8D7363.BE255B06 at yahoo.com...
> newsgroup to
> out
> And
> down
> they
> turn up
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Aug 30, 2001, 5:11pm
aw 3.2 is crap there are no new commands no new
bot features its all "under the hood" and it
doesnt work well at all
i think this REALLY should have been a public beta
because there is NO WAY a few people are gonna
find all the bugs in it... just being in it in
standalone i found 10-15 bugs in it... IT IS A
PIECE OF JUNK!
PS: skyboxes and it telling how many objects it
has to donwload is cool. but i wouldnt be
surprised if when 3.2 comes out i still use 3.1 i
wouldnt be surprised if almost everyone else does
too
[View Quote]billybob wrote:
>
> It seems all good, until you get to the Transparant problem. I really don't
> think I will use it if there are problems with rendering objects. We NEED
> masks. If we can't use them, then you have to replace masked textures with
> complex objects......no one has time for that.
>
> Also, 200 meters of visiblity! Who has a computer that can render a scene
> with that many objects? I don't.....I can't even go above 40. Someone with
> an AMD and a GeForce card might be able to get 10 FPS from it....I don't
> know, maybe not even that.......It would be cool if you could see 24FPS with
> 200m visiblity, but for now that ain't happening. AW Techs, don't increase
> Visiblity until you make a 3d engine that has NO lose of speed and is writen
> in ASM. Or until better computers come out.
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Aug 30, 2001, 5:13pm
yeah i was surprised at how high it was even with
the sounds and detail and everything
[View Quote]eep wrote:
>
> If AW had portal rendering it would be a LOT faster. As it is now, AW just mindlessly renders everything out to the visibility distance. Plus most worldbuilders and objectmakers don't optimize their objects (remove hidden/covered polys, use textures instead of lots of intricate modelled detail, etc). Try going to Hole world and see how your frame rate is; it should be better than most, if not all, worlds with comparable detail (yea right!). ;)
>
> billybob wrote:
>
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Aug 30, 2001, 10:33pm
roland says he cant do a lot of things
aw renders slow as hell go into a game like quake
which if built in aw would totally crash it and it
is twice as fast bet roland says he cant fix that
either
has awcom EVER fired anyone? it seems a lot of the
staff sit on their butts all day long whining how
hard things are and say they cant do it
[View Quote]moff piett wrote:
>
> Roland says there is nothing he can do to fix it... so basicly my world will
> have to say bye bye.
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Sep 1, 2001, 6:05am
ive talked to aw before that all i got was a "we
cant do that" email
[View Quote]kah wrote:
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> shadows really are needed, it's annoying to have to make pseudo-shadows
> using transparent objects, especially as they have a bad habit of
> overlapping on any ground cover/whatever beneat them...
>
> KAH
>
> "young phalpha" <RhaneC at msn.com> wrote in message
> news:3b9001df at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> atleast 7-8
> panardvision, I looked
> screenshots, keep in
> and a floor ob (not
> news:3b8ef3b6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Not
> itself
> designed
> run
> the
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Sep 1, 2001, 9:48pm
i wont be using it anymore long before then :o)
[View Quote]kah wrote:
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> actually, it truly will be realised a wonderfull day, in the distant
> future... maybe in AW 7.5?
>
> KAH
>
> "the derek" <ImTheDerek at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3B909449.3ECF7F11 at yahoo.com...
> mine,
> try
> at
> trees
> its
> the
> their
> the
> likely
> what's
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Aug 30, 2001, 5:19pm
yeah vs failed cause of their prices... i wanted
one but couldnt afford it i was able to get a
p30/5 for less than i think a 10nswe world there
but its partly aws fualt in their universe prices
they cant make money if the universe owners cant
either aw doesnt get that though
another thing aw doesnt get is bulk rate- example
if you buy a 1liter bottle of soda and a 2 liter
bottle of soda you be paying less per liter for
the 2 liter bottle
but in aws worlds you pay the SAME PRICE per sq
meter for ALL worlds... in good business you
should pay LESS per sqmeter for larger worlds that
would make people want to buy bigger worlds more..
they also charge way to much for their user limit-
10 bucks a user. AWCOM doesnt get that its the
PRIVATE worlds that add a lot to the content of aw
so basically you buy a world and aw will profit
from the world itself and a nother world added in
the worldlist for people to look at. if all the
private worlds fill up they will be stuck with
awcom worlds and will get bored. my world NEEDS
more users on it but im not willing to pay 50
bucks extra... ill just let it stay filled up
until awcom smartens up a little about pricing. i
am not complaining about high prices they are fine
(except users) but HOW they price is bad
[View Quote]jfk2 builder wrote:
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> This is what he said in another message thread...
> And it is a news article on www.awnews.com with several comments about
> that as well... [at the site that they give you you should check it out
> as JFK2 posted a rather big 2 sign5.rwx's on that subject there]
>
> And is whey i would LOVE to see the world prices come down.
> SINCE i have allready paid for my cit I don't need another CIT in that
> world. If i want a few more cits FINE.... $19.95 for JFK2 Nurse, JFK2
> Secretary, JFK2 Wife, JFK2 Bookeeper, etc.... and in the long run it
> would make more $$$ revenue for Active Worlds that way while lowering
> the world prices so us folks can afford the BIGGER worlds so we can
> really do something. p50/15 or p80/30 or something.... It would help
> us out alot. AND all that price reduction might help other struggling
> universes that use AW technology to make it work & keep them up and
> running.[Vectorscape's Failure because in part HUGE world prices]
>
> ==================================================================
> Newsgroups: community
> Subject: Re: Value of a cit
> From: "m a r c u s" <i_have_a_site at yahoo.com>
>
> I didn't know was here to "express" myself. I am simply stating fact:
>
> A) worlds come with citizens
> b) activeworlds has a register button for citizenship and they don't
> have the teachers teach about worlds before a tourist buys a world.
>
> c) hence, a tourist buys a citizenship, then finds out about the world,
> and then ends up paying Active Worlds $20 more than they needed to when
> it comes to the purchase of a world of $80.
>
> If Activeworlds charged me $60 for a world and used the $20 I gave for
> the citizenship to be applied for the citizenship that would have come
> with the world, then I wouldn't be bringing this up over and over and
> over again.
>
> I will continue to bring this up over and over and over again until it
> is addressed. It doesn't matter how much research I do, how many
> people I talk, who can flame me the worst, I will continue to post here
> for as long as I can telling people about this FACT.
>
> It's not an expression, it is a fact. Common sense would tell the
> citizen to not pay a company that practices in deceptive practice like
> once they find out. Active Worlds has the greater knowledge and has
> the LEGAL responsibility to inform the consumer of the services with
> costs before they sign up and pay consideration for services. I was
> only informed of their citizenship through car salesman tactics. They
> put one guy out in the front GZ to bring in people to the teaching
> areas, and then they have teachers on call to sell citizenships like it
> was a car.
>
> Am I to blame the person who got me to buy a citizenship? no, but I
> could have been informed to buy a world with it saving me $20. At
> least then, a person could have the choice to actively refuse to not
> buy a world knowing the information before paying anything.
>
> The reality is, I would have paid them $80, I would have continued to
> develop a home in AW thus upgrading the worlds and giving Active Worlds
> money. They lost out on me in business and respect as a company who
> cares about their customers. Well, there's my rant.... (pick apart
> flamers, have fun missing the reality and chew on your addiction some
> more)
>
> "kah" <kah at kahbot.com> wrote in message
> news:3b8e6d9f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Aug 31, 2001, 3:30am
uh marcus give it up they do inform them so far
EVERY PERSON HERE knows about it so you obviously
didnt do what the average person does and they
HAVE lowered prices before a world used to cost
around 800 when aw first started as far as i can
remember and just about a year ago they reidid
them across the board. thats why te page setup is
different than the universes... get your facts
straight for once sheesh
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
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> If they inform the tourist at the time they get a citizenship they could
> save money in the long run by getting a world, then the costs wouldn't seem
> like a lot. It would mean $20 less than the initial cost.
>
> If activeworlds is too stingy to save just $20 for their users, what makes
> you think they will lower the costs of worlds accross the board? They get
> who they can get addicted and charge up the wazooo. Sorry, but I ain't
> getting addicted on this. You guys can milk their pockets.
>
> "jfk2 builder" <jfk2 at jfkmusic.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns910D8E5729426jfk2jfkmusiccom at 166.90.181.12...
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Aug 31, 2001, 2:05pm
its meant as an easy way to register its not MEANT
to be an excessive detailed explanation. thats
what their sites for all it is is a quicker way to
register than calling them or mailing them and to
answer your question
Nope
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
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> Simple question, YES or NO:
>
> When you registered for a citizenship and clicked the "Register Now!"
> button, did it inform you that you could also buy a world which would incude
> a citizenship?
>
> All I want is a simple YES or NO, I don't need excuses or reasons why we
> could have done other things. This is way they set it up, the programmers
> made it so you would click a button to register if you were signed on as
> tourist. Working with that method, did Active Worlds inform people when
> registering about this fact regarding citizenships within a cost of a world?
>
> If I had known I could have bought a world with citizenship, then I would
> have bought that. Now my only choice is to buy a world which would come
> with a citizenship I don't need.
>
> "the derek" <ImTheDerek at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3B8F1EFB.69CAD0AB at yahoo.com...
> seem
> makes
> get
> out
> world,
> when
> here
> it
> Worlds
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Aug 31, 2001, 2:08pm
i think they allow you to switch the cits around
so the one you payed for origonally (and probably
built a lot with) would be renewed with your
world. and i think there are a lot of people
registering way too fast some register before they
even know how to build but if you use it as a
tourist you shouldve spent at least SOME time on
their site and at least looked at the prices for
the worlds?
[View Quote]jfk2 builder wrote:
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> When i clicked on my button to buy my citizen i was given a pop up
> charge card quick pay on the spot thing and i entered all the info
> right then and bought a cit. I found out the hard way about owning a
> world about the time i got a 30 day free trial world.... ABOUT 2 weeks
> AFTER i paid my $19.95 for a cit.... Geesh.... a little late for
> me.... So when i get a world i don't want a free cit... So i would much
> rather they lower the price a little and takeout that free cit thing as
> i allready have 2 i don't need any more BUT would like a big world but
> can't afford it PLUS cits as well.... That is just tooooooooo stupid.
>
> "m a r c u s" <i_have_a_site at yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:3b8f323f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:
>
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Sep 1, 2001, 6:11am
well you have already spammed that url to someone
so yeah he can actually
[View Quote]m a r c u s wrote:
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> So if you post a URL I can report you?
> http://members.aol.com/chessmusic/gcn/gcnmusic.htm
>
> If you want it, enjoy, if you don't DON'T CLICK
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3b8fed7a at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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