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Jul 15, 2001, 7:34pm

You may want to check out GCN, http://www.gcn.cx, it's a new communications
program which includes many ignore features. We can set up an Active Worlds
area for contacts which are way far better than the telegrams which have
limited typing space.

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Jul 22, 2001, 1:41pm

I second that, if not a seperate window then maybe integrate a private
message in the lower right tabs when someone clicks the telegrams window,
you can expand it out if your are talking and if you don't want to be
bothered, then remove the tabs the way they have it now.

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Jul 22, 2001, 1:43pm

"telegrams window" = "telegrams tab"

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Jul 22, 2001, 3:01pm

ahh, so like a whisper/telegram mode. So, long as we can eliminate it from
the screen when need be, I like that idea even more than the one I thought
you meant.

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Jun 22, 2001, 10:01pm

"charter"?, sounds like we are in a plane or something. We get to follow the
"charter", ooh, ahhh, how cool!!!


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Jun 24, 2001, 8:08am

yea, you got a straw, LMAO!!!

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Jun 26, 2001, 5:04am

Who are the people that decide to put a . between words? I am sure the
answer is "because it doesn't accept spaces" which is a silly reason to not
be able to put a space. Does anything have a real reason why there is and
should be a period there?

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Jun 26, 2001, 5:06am

Does anyone have a real reason why there is and
should be a period there?

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Jun 26, 2001, 8:38pm

Anti butt itching powder and computer viruses belong in the same NG?

Are we defining opposites now? LMAO



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Jun 26, 2001, 9:19pm

KAH, get that wand out of your hand. You are taking it to heart be some
means you can dictate what goes where. Not even Tom who posted a charter
earlier could layout what is acceptable and not in either NG. Either way it
is another step towards segregating the group, and yours is of dictatorship.
Neither addresses equality of the people.

Why not allow us to moderate our own area and develop sovereignty within the
group?

There would not be people like yourself and EEP pissing and moaning about
"this is off topic" wah wah wah "that doesn't belong there, and this doesn't
belong here and I am king/emperor, bring me more whine"

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Jul 12, 2001, 11:38am

I see New Post, Reply Group, Reply, Forward, (section breaker), Print,
Stop,(section breaker), Send/Recv,(section breaker), Adresses, Find, and
Newsgroups

If there is a Format button, I don't see it.

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Jul 12, 2001, 11:44am

Also, haven't we loaded more bytes in just this petty conversation than
legion did in the html post?

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Jul 12, 2001, 4:15pm

Let me get this straight, you want me to figure out something which will
enable me to see things on the screen with less quality because someone else
is too friggin cheap to get better quality net service? YOU ARE FREAKIN
NUTS BUDDY!!!!

I asked for a simple direct route in respect to the fact costs might be high
abroad, but now remembering previous posts, there have been people abroad
who have stated there are free services/avenues that don't hamper their
online time/costs.

If someone doesn't want something on their computer, they should find a way
to filter it. This is why I probably haven't found the right steps, because
honestly with a $1000 computer, I want to see some pretty dang good pics and
html coding to go along with it. Unlimited use and bandwith is also paid
for, and now we the payers want the benefits from paying for that service
just like worldbuilders have the benefits they pay for. I think this whole
html/plain text issue is rediculous. If I wanted plain text, I would make
sure I found a way to only read it that way.

People sending the data shouldn't know ahead of time what people want. It
makes for a real bland/undesirable newsgroup, and to figure out how to limit
my use on the computer is not what I am paying for.

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Jul 13, 2001, 1:52am

I liked the one with the pic, this one wraps around making it hard to read.
You also used caps, LOL.

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Jul 13, 2001, 2:35am

If ignoring loading potential posts in html is what you want to do, go for
it. You don't have to make an announcement of it, lol (Look at me I am
ignoring someone everyone, whoo hoo) get the champagne out, yabba dabba
doo!!!

Either you have a set group of people you talk to or your don't and you are
welcome to seeing new faces(fonts in this case). First case, if you already
know who you want to talk to and they want to use the plain text style then
get an email list going and talk that way.

However, if you expect people new to the newsgroup to all of a sudden know
what you want them to do and not do, you may want to rethink this. They
aren't going to all of a sudden know, and it is rediculous to assume they
will change if they chose to use html in the first place. Apparently they
already chose it over plain text before coming into your domain of the
internet. You are fighting a losing battle on both sides of the coin when
you try to censor.



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Jul 13, 2001, 4:57am

If someone chose html, it is your choice to read it or not. If you are
worried about eveyone that might send you html, you will have a lot of
peopleon your ignore list. They aren't going to know about you and your
subjective rules.


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Jul 13, 2001, 6:10am

NO NO, not Chucks Party, oh lord I have sinned. Forgive me now or throw a
lightening bolt. I don't deserve to live with such hideous associations, I
was only trying help the world you created and I have caused trouble among
your flock of sheep.

Now that SW Chris has associated me with Chucks Party, I don't know what I
will do now. This whole thing has got me flabbergasted. I guess I should
take a vacation like he said, and come back under a different name so I can
fit in with the rest of the insulting crowd.

Then maybe, one day, I can only hope, I too can sit back and post messages
like "I am ignoring such and such, look at me!!!" and "don't do what I want
you to not do cause I say so, turn your html off", and "lose the logic
crap!"

These are all fine sayings I must someday learn how to execute on command
with full skill and pride in my fellow flamer these fruitful posts. For
right now though I am only a meaningless outcaster who tried to embark on
logic to understand the minds of these illogical sentient beings. I must, I
must, put down the logic and pick up the flame. Hearee Hearee!!!

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Jul 13, 2001, 12:57pm

I don't know if there was a point there or not, it looked like just a long
stream of sentences without any paragraph breaks or even well thought out
remarks. Maybe it's too early for you to accept what I said, or maybe you
don't even want to accept the fact others think differently than you do so
please accept that realization and move on. I accept you for posting in
html or plain text, it doesn't matter to me so long as what you have to say
is meaningful.

I hope the content of what a person says is much more important than the way
they present, since it gets us to the intentions. Legion wanted to have a
newsgroup for townbuilders, are you up for it or not? Regardless if it is
plain text or html, can you address the content of the original post? Would
you support that?


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Jul 13, 2001, 1:00pm

Well, at least that response was thought out. I agree, some html marker
would be good. Then you would know to accept it or not depending on your
censor meter in your head.

Personally, I accept anything. Add some color here, it looks drab with just
black text.

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Jul 13, 2001, 1:05pm

Then that is a seperate issue, and there should be a way to address posts
which are html or plain text so they don't have to be downloaded.

However, the choice of the reader should dictate these terms cause only they
know what their computer can handle. The person sending doesn't know what
everyone's net service and speed is. It's also sort of backwards to assume
the highest technology should work with less capacity. Why get better and
higher cost tools to later be told to do primitive work with it?


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Jul 13, 2001, 2:57pm

Your premise is faulty. If you want to see 3.1 motion/rotate/lighting
etc... commands, you need 3.1!!! 2.2 is only there for people whose
technology is not capable of using 3.1. This is an issue of better
technology downsizing.

A better analogy would be, you are telling all 3.1 users to not use the
motion/rotate/lighting etc... commands, which I don't find 3.1 users doing,
especially 3.1 users that have worlds. They are taking every advantage of
using the extra features, and so they should, they paid for it.


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Jul 14, 2001, 1:27am

I don't see why we can't post in html. Why can't we have a section html?

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Jul 14, 2001, 3:00am

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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I think that its mostly because of a few reasons.

1. Many people have nothing better to post about
2. Some people like to start useless off-topic discussions
3. People dislike downloading three times larger files to get ten =
times better looking posts
4. People are reluctant to new ideas

And if there are "viruses" in almost every html post, I would =
recommend that anyone who takes too much caution stop visiting any =
websites.

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Kmissile583K
Head Builder of AWTeen
kmissile58 at hotmail.com

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>LOL</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"kmissile583k" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Kmissile58 at hotmail.com">Kmissile58 at hotmail.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:3b4fc054 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3b4fc054 at server1.Act=
iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D5>Why does everyone =
hate html format=20
messages?</FONT></DIV>
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<HR>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think that its mostly because of a =
few=20
reasons.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1.&nbsp; Many people have nothing =
better to post=20
about</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2.&nbsp; Some people like to start =
useless=20
off-topic discussions</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3.&nbsp; People dislike downloading =
three times=20
larger files to get ten times better looking posts</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4.&nbsp; People are reluctant to new=20
ideas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And if there are "viruses" in almost =
every html=20
post, I would recommend that anyone who takes too much caution stop =
visiting=20
any websites.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<HR>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kmissile583K</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Head Builder of AWTeen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:kmissile58 at hotmail.com">kmissile58 at hotmail.com</A></FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<HR>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"m a r c u s" &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:i_have_a_site at yahoo.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>i_have_a_site at yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>&gt; wrote in=20
message </FONT><A =
href=3D"news:3b4fbc12 at server1.Activeworlds.com"><FONT=20
face=3DArial =
size=3D2>news:3b4fbc12 at server1.Activeworlds.com</FONT></A><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt; =
I don't see why=20
we can't post in html.&nbsp; Why can't we have a section html?<BR>&gt; =

<BR>&gt; "dabartender" &lt;</FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:admin at hooverae.com"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>admin at hooverae.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
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Jul 14, 2001, 3:28am

***MORAL OF THE STORY, REGARDLESS WHAT RULES YOU LAY DOWN, REGARDLESS HOW
MANY PEOPLE YOU GET TO RALLY BEHIND YOU, REGARDLESS WHERE YOU GO ON THE NET,
REGARDLESS WHO YOU ARE TOLD TO DO THINGS BY, PEOPLE WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT
THEMSELVES INITIALLY. YOU CAN'T PROGRAM A HUMAN BEING TO ONLY USE PLAIN
TEXT FROM NOW TO ETERNITY. WISE UP AND DEVISE A SYSTEM YOU PROGRAMMERS SO
PLAIN TEXT ADVOCATES WILL STOP PISSING AND MOANING IN OUR NEWSGROUPS***

"Just out of curiosity, can you actually read?"
Yes, I can read. You also have to have the ability to think about what you
read, not just let 26 symbols fly by your eyes. Let's see if you can.....

"I tried to be nice and clear on this one, but now I might be a little mean.
It was explained in my message - and in plenty of other peoples' messages
before me - that posting in HTML:

1) Goes against the generally accepted etiquette on Usenet."
Who created "the generally accepted etiquette" and why can't we have some
say so from those that want html?

"For you newbies, that's the part of the Internet that serves up newsgroups.
It's
been around a lot longer than HTML or the WWW, and is based on plain ASCII
text messaging."
For you to tell me that means it is an OLD FRIGGIN SYSTEM!!! Time to
re-establish some less primitive "accepted etiquette". It is not hard now
to put in block options that were perhaps harder to implement in the past.
Do you have anything to date to establish why there needs to be a censorship
on html posts?

"Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, gave you newbies the awful power of
the
markup language. Oh, how wrong they were..."
If people want to post in html, it is their own business, not for you to
censor.

"2) Is a waste of bandwidth. Imagine if your mommy and daddy took away that
cable or DSL line, and then started charging you by the minute to be
online - on a 14.4 modem. Think that's funny? Well, guess what kiddo, some
people still have to access the Internet in that very fashion. Not everyone
has broadband."

I would like to see where they spend their money, oh wait that's getting
personal. Stay out of my life as to how I wish to spend my money and stop
censoring you idiot!!!

"2/3 of the world has never even made a fucking telephone call."
And this has to do with the price of tea in China? (Here folks is where a
desperate person tries to present some red herring to better exaggerate a
claim of file size. A newbie wouldn't know the difference and take his
word. I am not a newbie, and I know sound wavs for phone calls are much
bigger than html posts. They can get into the huge whopping MB's)

"Now, using that scenario, go download a shitload of HTML messages that
would
have been 1/4 the size had they been posted in plain text. Wouldn't you be a
little irritated?"
We are not downloading .wavs but html which is not anywhere near the size of
..wav files (an those would be streamed, not downloaded). STOP associating a
phone call with html.

******RECAP - SO FAR dabartender HAS PROVIDED US WITH PRIMITIVE RULES AND
ADDRESSED SOUND AS A MEANS TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT AGAINST HTML POSTS APPEAR
MORE VALID. HTML IS NOT SOUND RELATED******. It stands for "HYPER TEXT" YES
TEXT!!!!, Hyper Text MARKUP LANGUAGE.

ok dabartender, batting 0 for 2, let's see if you don't strikeout.

"3) NOT EVERYONE USES OUTLOOK BLOODY EXPRESS. Most other newsreaders DO NOT
support HTML, and therefore, your message downloads as plain text HTML
source."

What you use for a reader is your choice, if Outlook "Bloody" Express is the
only program (which I doubt) that can only read html code then GET OUTLOOK
"BLOODY" EXPRESS and stop pissing and moaning.

"Not only is the file bigger, but it's a complete pain in the ass to
sift through a bunch of 'font' and 'br' tags to find the actual message.
When you post a message, you want people to read it, right?
Here's another tip for you - many people don't download messages over a
certain size, and/or will skip a message if all they see is HTML source. The
person that could have helped you has now let your message pass right by,
all because you couldn't configure your newsreader properly."

If people don't want to download posts more than a certain limit, that is
their choice. However, their choice to NOT download should not dictate
someone else's limit who might WANT TO see bigger file sized posts.

4) Continues to make you look like an idiot after being told these facts
time and time again.

Well, since you didn't know my response, I am sure idiocy was the only thing
floating around you.

This is my last post on the subject, because you've already made me waste
too much bandwidth.

LOL, well, I am sure you will have something to say here. I'll be awaiting
out next discourse.

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Jul 14, 2001, 6:01am

Someone call the filibuster police, his whole post (with the exception of
what I will respond to below) could have been summed up with "I disagree",
instead he had to dazzle us with a rough draft like resume of his life in
computers and technology. For someone who is trying to save bytes, you
would think he would take his own advice and put a link up so we could read
his post. Oh, wait a minute, that is a rediculous idea. Ok, scratch the
linking to another source so we can converse. The reason why I came here
was because someone at AW support in email told me AW didn't have message
boards, but newsgroups. Now we are to be steered away from the newsgroups?

If AW just had a message board in the first place, then we wouldn't have to
deal with this issue. Second, I find it interesting that a company whose
sole product deals with 3d objects would expect bland text to be a norm of
any newsgroup using their product. Whether or not it adds something to the
newsgroups is subjective criteria and not a reason to sensor.

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Jul 14, 2001, 7:35am

"Why can't we extend that to the Internet, and follow the courtesy
guidelines that have been in use for so long?"
If I hold the door open, and that is couteous it is because the person
wanted to walk through the door. You are opening the door the other way and
throwing out the people who want to use html. Show some courtesy and let us
stay inside where we can use html. You do what you want here and type in
"plain" (uggh) text, let us type in html if we choose. Giving one choice is
courteous, censoring choice is not.

"..just because it's there, dosen't mean it needs to be used."
And just because it is there, doesn't mean it has to be NOT used. Both your
sentence and the logical opposite have nothing to do with this. Your
argument that there is a bigger file size with html posts is better, but yet
we still have yet to see why a system that can create 3d objects and make
them swirl, rotate, flush, etc... is ok on people's connection, but a basic
blue or other color background and text will turn everyone's computer inside
out and make it impossible to hold decent conversations. There just is no
reason besides your want to control and censor what other people prefer to
communicate with.

"Son, not everyone lives in the US. Do you know how hard it is to send a
piece of e-mail from Kuwait?"
Well, Mr. Red Herring if it is that hard to send email, does that mean it is
harder or easier to send newsgroup posts. Assuming you said you were away,
that would indicate to me it is at least just as hard to do. Therefore, if
you can't even post in Newsgroups, why the hell are you bringing this up?
You wouldn't be able to use html or plain text.

"I was *trying* to, once again, convey the fact that the entire world is NOT
wired for 'net access."
This supports my assumption you are bringing up something useless to this
conversation. If you aren't wired for net access, how do you expect to even
post in plain text? USE SOME LOGIC in your next response please, geeze.

"I was drawing a parallel between high cost/low speed bandwidth, and
having to download unnecessarily large files"
Then change your limit to what you can handle, learn to budget.

"HTML is generally frowned upon Usenet-wide when it's used in a non-binary
newsgroup. It goes back to the courtesy aspect."
Again, I ask, why would a 3d company like active worlds care? I mean they
make it so we can do all these things in 3d and that doesn't seem to
irritate you anti-html'ers. This whole courtesy/bandwidth argument is being
used too much here. Have the courtesy to let me choose, If my dog or
relative dies, and I need to tell you this, I'll use plain text and make it
small in file size. You can set file size limit so when I post a bunch of
html(unrelated to major events) and you don't want to see it, then you won't
get it. There, win win situation for both of us and fido will be glad you
are there in support of his death.

"And I'll say again that, when you post that important question with a 12K
HTML file instead of the 2 or 3K text file that it could have been, and the
one person who could answer it for you goes right by your post...all you'll
end up doing is complaining that noone is responding."
(See previous response, if you are going to repeat yourself like a parrot
and USE up bytes I'll show you how to do it right and save them)


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Jul 14, 2001, 7:48am

"After you've spent 6 months floating around on a big
tin can in the middle of the Persian Gulf with 5,000 other people...."

LMAO, well I guess that settles everything, plain text for everyone!!!
Don't you think connecting your military experience and the issue of html
posting a bit of a stretch? I know you are grabbing at straws here, but
please at least make it within the ballpark.


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Jul 14, 2001, 5:07pm

I ask you to do the same and just accept it, I don't ask you to post in html
because I prefer that. I am willing to accept you for you and how you want
to present your message. Please have the common courtesy to accept that
back. I already told you how it could be used in both html and plain text.

Those that are dissatisfied with anything seem to be the anti html crowd. I
don't see html posters asking people to stop posting in plain text.

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Jul 14, 2001, 5:18pm

Putting porn up where children can go is a BIG PROBLEM in my book, choosing
to use html that a 10-17 year old can use is something much different.

It is not a double standard, and I will tell you why. I don't care if an
adult opens up a private world designated for the purposes of displaying
adult material in just a part or the whole area of the world. I also don't
care if there is an html section we can post in. I would respect certain
areas in a newsgroup if html was allowed in one, just like I would expect an
adult to only put adult material where the adult section is out of the reach
of children.

You ask me why I can't get what was previously typed, why can't you get this
difference down? I was addressing the openness of the adult material where
children could access, not the fact it existed on AW's server. I am in full
support of adults who want to open a private world with adult material for
the purposes of entertaining adults, NOT children.

And that syli is called courtesy and responsibility.

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Jul 15, 2001, 3:23am

Old macs I used displayed html fine, but if you were even 1% right that
would give more reason to NOT buy a mac.

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