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Oct 18, 2003, 4:50pm

All I can say is, WTF? I'm sure that's something BB can agree with me
on. ;)

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Oct 20, 2003, 3:11am

[View Quote] So... OJ didn't do it because he said he didn't do it?

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Oct 21, 2003, 5:53pm

[View Quote] You must not be around too many people convicted of crimes. I would
write a four page long article detailing why I Didn't do it rather than
become bubba's new "friend".

It's not that I missed the thrust of it, it's that you said it in the
wrong scope. But, whatever.

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Oct 30, 2003, 6:03pm

[View Quote] > Tell linn to keep her asinine comments to herself and guess what.....we won't talk to her.
> When she says inconsiderate things like this she will get inconsiderate responses in return.
> This does not take a rocket scientist to figure out.

Wasn't she the one with the odd facination with communist China?

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Oct 25, 2003, 4:26am

[View Quote] > Goodnight, don't let the Bowen bugs bite =D

I pierce, I don't bite.

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Oct 26, 2003, 5:55am

[View Quote] You mean single-parent.seq? ;)

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Oct 28, 2003, 5:49pm

[View Quote] You are always assumed guilty before proven innocent. Hence why you've
been charged with a crime to begin with. The same is true for every
judicial system in the world, unfortunately. Otherwise, there's no
basis for enforcement.

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Oct 30, 2003, 5:43pm

[View Quote] So you disagree that you're guilty until proven innocent and then at the
end of your schpeal claim that it's no way to treat an innocent person
to get false convictions removed?

Okay, then, if you're innocent until proven guilty there would be no
innocent people jailed... as the evidence would not convict. Guilty
people go free too because lack of evidence, therefore guilty until
proven innocent is the norm of a judicial system.

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Oct 30, 2003, 6:01pm

[View Quote] Yeah, there's no problem with it this way, it tends to get more people
based on lack of evidence (as they'll usually be guilty 99% of the time)
but it also has the problem with jailing innocent people because they're
already on trial and that the jury doesn't really care about the fate of
the person. Afterall, it's not you on trial. ;)

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Oct 30, 2003, 2:19am

[View Quote] Your mom was cool.

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Nov 2, 2003, 8:30pm

[View Quote] > that AW's engine lacks portal rendering as Eep once mentioned, so it renders
> objects you can't even see X_X

Oh, that'd be such a dream. Dreams come with a hefty price... with the
types of objects that people use in AW, portal rendering would kill the
processor with a thousand spoons if not a thousand chunks of silly putty
too.

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Nov 4, 2003, 1:48am

[View Quote] > Actually, RenderWare does have portal support, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure why it's not implemented in Active Worlds. I suppose it just hasn't gotten to the top of the priorities list yet.

Hmmm I don't think I've seen it implemented anywhere.

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Nov 4, 2003, 7:03pm

[View Quote] Not rendering objects behind other objects. The major killer in real
time rendering. Especially in AW.

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Nov 7, 2003, 5:58am

[View Quote] > I have.. but I looked into it, and found that those implementations are not part of RenderWare... even though they are in software that uses RenderWare. I knew portals weren't supported directly last time I had looked at RenderWare in detail, but that was a while back, and I thought that had changed. I guess not.

Yeah it figures as such. I can say that would be the number one thing
that needs to be implemented in a real time rendering system.

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Nov 2, 2003, 3:32pm

[View Quote] Nope, don't see a lightning or rain world attribute.

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Nov 2, 2003, 4:01pm

Maybe I was mistaken:

http://bowen.homelinux.com/marks_aw.jpg

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Nov 2, 2003, 5:13pm

[View Quote] Yeah, sometimes I wish the DNS server would point to the right IP half
the time.

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Nov 4, 2003, 3:36am

Very cool, nice music. You should add some movement to make it seem
more alive. Other than that, it's pretty good.

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Nov 5, 2003, 12:54pm

Hear, hear.

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Nov 5, 2003, 1:50pm

[View Quote] Hear, hear. You know, to express approval, it's a very common idiom.

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Nov 5, 2003, 2:31pm

[View Quote] Me either. ;)

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Nov 5, 2003, 4:34pm

[View Quote] Yes, there is plenty of area to build large scale projects. Towns are
included.

> b. What is the 15 minute scheme rotation?

Something about the sun or day night cycle -- I'm not exactly sure on
that one myself.

> c. Why when a vote was taken was there only about 30 votes?

Not all of us spend every waking hour in AW. ;)

> d. Why do you insist there is some correlation between AW and NewAW? NewAW
> is an entirely different project (in some ways a prototype) and one from
> which most developement of 3.4 and 3.5 came from. Many of the ideas started
> in NewAW were things which have been on the wishlist for YEARS and have now
> been incorporated in the client!

I think he's exspressed concern that AW is not moving forward. All the
new features that have been incorporated in the browser are not even
being enabled in public build worlds (save AWTeen).

> e. Are you sure there was a plan to revamp AWGZ?

It might be fun. But as I've said before, the Denizens of AW are
horribly attached to antiquity... doing this might shatter their world.

> f. You don't remember that people were upset when the new avatars got
> added? This was not when "only Cy" existed but was years later.

Avatars are avatars, maybe people would've been happy if new avatars
were appended to the previous avatars instead of completely replacing
them. Which is usually the problem, people don't mind change, as long
as they can fall back on to familiar things.

> g. What are the features still to be unlocked? It was my understanding that
> tourists are allowed and 3Axis rotation is also. What would you like?

3rd axis rotation in the _world_ AW! And all AWI owned worlds for that
matter (such as mars). Hell, special commands would be a god send. I
doubt you really need to be concerned with "terrorism" anymore Rick,
your new price scheme has sufficiently alienated all the 12 year olds
who want to cause trouble. But it's also a double edged sword, people
are paying more and that means they want more (ie every feature added
being added to the world).

Terrain (use demeter - that alon would be awesome), special commands
(thank god light wasn't one of them), 3rd axis rotation, maybe even
water a-la-AWTeen style.

> h. You feel that a rate hike was done and a promise was made that AlphaWorld
> was then going to be improved?

We always hoped that such a thing would happen, we payed more for not
only new browser improvements (which would be stupid not to have unless
you're really believe that stopping production would still produce
money), but also that our congregation centers would also be improved.

I'm not saying it's bad... but maybe AW should be backed up to a blank
world to be preserved. ClassicAW, where the old timers can have
everything the way they want it, meanwhile _everything_ in AW is kept
there and all new options are enabled. All that ClassicAW is would be a
world that you took a propdump of one day and just left it for antiquity
sake. If people really needed it to be "like the good old days." Or,
on the same leaf, take the name NewAW and take a propdump and move it
there and turn on all features.

> Let us know what you think AW should have and then we can rebutt or agree.

How's that? :) I hope it's good.

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Nov 5, 2003, 10:15pm

[View Quote] > I just want to say THANKYOU ENZO for pointing out that terrain is
> slightly higer than ground.rwx. Some people have been crying out for
> terrin in AlphaWorld for a while, but can't they see what problems it
> caused in AWTeen? Pre-terrain floors overlap with the terrain.

Hey wait a second, didn't a bunch of us (me included) get together to
make a bot to fix that problem. Oh wait, we did -- because we realized
it was a problem back in the 3.3 beta days so we had to fix it... and
fix it we did. KAH created a hack on my bot designed to fix that very
problem.

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Nov 5, 2003, 10:20pm

[View Quote] > I agree with you that this would be fun, but not nesecary in a world like
> AW. Otherwise AW loses all its sens. That's why I think a world like NewAW
> is a very good idea : these changes can be put there.. if they finnaly open
> it *rolleyes*

And there we have it. Making the current backdrop into a skybox doesn't
destroy anything, it's expanding it. You may think it's like adding a
Jet engine to the first plane, but it's more like adding an extra fuel
tank to plane that requires long air time.

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Nov 5, 2003, 10:21pm

[View Quote] > AW Uni has a whole would benefit better by editting the browser so people
> could safetly use a terrain, instead of using bots...

I know, but saying the terrain is slightly higher is no excuse for not
enabling it.

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Nov 6, 2003, 7:03pm

[View Quote] > 3.5 allows for offsetting terrrain altitude
>
> This does not affect the fact that many builds will zbuff with the terrain.
> Also, many builds are underground and would be lost unless the owner went
> through and put a hole it the terrain.
>
> I would suggest that terrain is just to much trouble in a prebuilt world.

Not with AW due to the ground. Put it at the _exact_ same level as
ground (and allow for people to edit it with objects) this will be fine
and will not really damage someone's builds at all unless they
purposefully put the build half above and half below.

It really has no problem with being implemented. Terrain does not mess
with anything unless the person specifically decides to edit it.
Therefore, it does not destroy antiquity. It's not double sided like
the current ground is... although I don't see how that's a problem.

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Nov 6, 2003, 7:06pm

[View Quote] > That'd be quite expensive I think...according to AW Mapper, the database
> when uncompressed is 174 GB. It compresses to about 2 GB. I'm not sure
> what the server use, compressed or uncompressed...

Well, 200 GB Hard drives are not exactly wallet busting for a company
that should be producing any profit above $500. That said, it shouldn't
use one consecutive file anyways.

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Nov 6, 2003, 7:09pm

[View Quote] > Ya'll might see the problem now

Companion world. AWClassic\ClassicAW. You don't want to make a new
world for the new features, you want to move the present AW to an older
world and keep the newer features in the standard AW. It works out
better this way, newer people won't get confused... but if you feel
really adament about it, NewAW works just fine.

I'm sure you could spring for the 200 GB Hard drive to get for it if you
look hard enough. Take a $500 out of your checks for a year or something.

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Nov 6, 2003, 7:14pm

[View Quote] > the latest beta being...?

Beta means untested product, usually. Alpha just means the beta of the
beta. You can technically refer to the Alpha-tests as Beta-test^2, or
as most people do, Beta.

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Nov 6, 2003, 7:20pm

[View Quote] > FYI I also was not "invited" to the latest BETA program I've been a developer for over 25 years.....Been on the BETA program all along..... this was the first time I was not involved, and took that as a message that developers are not wanted and not needed around here.....pfffft

You were there toward the end of the 3.4 betas with the rest of us
right? You saw practically everyone that really was not qualified to do
beta testing show up. You had people that were on the beta simply to be
on the beta. People who complained because the beta didn't have some
features that they should have *cough*linuxbrowserwithacertainsomeone.
It got really bad.

I guess they picked the handful that didn't do many bug reports (and
thus wouldn't bug the developers to fix things since it's alpha) and
they picked the few that they felt were least qualified on offering a
solution -- thus fitting into the not bugging developers as much.

That's just my hypothesis as to how it was organized. Yes, Andras is on
the alpha... but that doesn't mean the rest of the list was chosen
wisely. What do you think BB?

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