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Feb 2, 2003, 4:40am
Oh shut up you two!.........Happy Birthday NCC!!!
[View Quote]"maki" <maki at awmaki.com> wrote in message
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> i did. but if you weren't it wouldn't make much sense. either way it still
> doesn't. :\
>
> maki
> "sk8man1" <someone at someone.net> wrote in message
> news:3e3bae15$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> was
> hundred
>
>
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Feb 2, 2003, 4:41am
Thats true.....some ppl like some things to be kept private. :o(
[View Quote]"stecloud" <stecloud at fsmail.net> wrote in message
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> Probably shoudlnt have posted his gram - maybe he ,didnt want the whole of
> Activeworlds seeing it.
>
>
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Feb 7, 2003, 8:34pm
I agree actually....I am now dumber for having to actually read these
posts.....heh
[View Quote]"stecloud" <stecloud at fsmail.net> wrote in message
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> How did I know that just by reading the title - this post would be a load
of
> crap
>
>
>
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Feb 8, 2003, 4:13am
That whole Cy Award fight had it coming to them. Lots of things aren't going
that well lately in a lot of committees....sad to say.
[View Quote]"jstone2004" <j at jlife.net> wrote in message
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> lol, compared to the huge Cy Awards fight that went on a few months ago,
the
> NG's are neutral nowadays :P
>
> J
>
> "john" <john at 3d-reality.com> wrote in message
> news:3e439383 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> for
questions
> not
> down.
> STUFF.
>
>
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Feb 8, 2003, 9:42pm
For one....you aren't the entire CY committee....secondly....I meant the
situation would have eventually arose. We now have ratings on the worlds
list thank god for that matter...heh ;)
[View Quote]"technozeus" <TechnoZeus at usa.net> wrote in message
news:3e44ddda at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Really? You say I had it comming to me? Then tell me what I did to
deserve it, please.
>
> TechnoZeus
>
> "elyk" <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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going
ago,
designed
and
put
PEOPLE
AND
>
>
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Feb 9, 2003, 7:18pm
If I were talking about you....I would have said "Technozeus". Usually when
I'm talking about committees....I won't address any names, because it starts
fights....
[View Quote]"technozeus" <TechnoZeus at usa.net> wrote in message
news:3e464304$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Okay. Not a problem.... and I agree it is something that needed to be
addressed. As a matter of fact, it was already planned for AW 3.5, which is
why AW 3.4 hasn't been released yet. We're now beta testing what "would
have been" AW 3.4 as AW 3.4 so in the long run it simply means all the
fighting accomplished nothing except to waste a lot of people's time and
cause the people waiting for a release upgrade to Active Worlds to have to
wait much longer.
>
> Sorry if I seemed to have taken that personally. I mainly wanted to point
out that the way it was worded could easily be taken as an accusation
against vaguely identified people... which was exactly how that whole mess
got going in the first place. Gotta word stuff like that carefully. :)
>
> TechnoZeus
>
> "elyk" <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3e4595d4 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
aren't
months
information
or
WARS
ARE
MORONS?
>
>
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Feb 8, 2003, 4:13am
agreed
[View Quote]"yanst" <ayansta at hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> to open Alpha World to tourists. AWNewbie is nice, but mean people come
in
> deleting what the new people try to build as fast as they try to build it!
>
> In Alpha World, the area is much larger, tourists can get off to
themselves
> to build. I have a tourist build that is 5 years old in Alpha World.
>
>
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Feb 10, 2003, 6:45pm
Yet, MORE arguments that I'm now dumber for reading.....although very
ridiculously hilarious. Calm down children ;)
[View Quote]"ncc 71854" <NCC-71854 at USS-Venture.Starfleet.UFP> wrote in message
news:3e4704e3 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> too bad they dont do that for no reason, so go gnaw on a tree before YOU
get
> banned, loser!
>
> "ihnk" <awihnk5 at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3e47032a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> talk.
immature
> most
reckon
>
>
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Feb 10, 2003, 7:10pm
This stuff is like the spark of the newsgroups.....I fall out of my chair
laughing over some of the ridiculous crap that ppl say here and how everyone
takes things so personally. Most of the time, the newsgroups is boring
junk....like "come to this event on Jan 7th." blah blah blah....I get
enough spam grams from various ppl who love to telegram non-useful crap. So
this is somewhat interesting.
[View Quote]"lord perception" <usenetreplies at hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "elyk" <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3e480f7d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> Yeah but, you get really sick of it after awhile as it seems the same old
> tired lines are thrown around time and time again. Like seeing reruns of
a
> TV Program over and over again. I'm still bamboozled as to why after a
> heated debate that humans degenerate and resort to name calling and
childish
> insults to get their point across. I'm also still curious as to why the
AW
> Newsgroups seems to be alight in flames more often than normal Usenet
> newsgroups. I will agree with you that it is funny... but only initially
> and after that it begins to get tired.
>
>
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Feb 10, 2003, 6:47pm
This post wasn't a start.
[View Quote]"d a n" <awdan at aol.com> wrote in message
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> In the future i hope to have some decent topics in the community or i will
> consider unsubscribing from it :\
>
> ---
> D a n
>
> Is this the end?
>
>
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Feb 14, 2003, 2:37am
Um.....did I miss something??
[View Quote]"jacob the hero" <warejacob at hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Everyone, Active world is Cool! E n z o is Awsome Guy, I Like him, if you
> know Active world
>
>
> Telegram me
>
>
>
> ~Jacob The Hero~
>
>
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Mar 23, 2003, 5:06am
LOL
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e7c486a at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Noone in awteen, acting for AWTeen sounds official and professional. Its
> part of the job app.
>
> - Mark
>
> "bowen" <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> wrote in message
> news:3e7b861e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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>
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Mar 24, 2003, 7:54pm
Beta isn't accepting anymore applications I believe. Contact
Calpantera.....thats who I talked to when I joined.
[View Quote]"the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3e7f0677 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> How does one go about participating in Active Worlds beta testing? (I
> didn't try posting this to beta because I heard a long time ago that you
> couldn't post to beta unless you were a beta tester.)
>
>
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Mar 30, 2003, 4:43am
I'm confused as to what their talking about too.....heh.
[View Quote]"goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:3E8654F7.8000805 at utn.cjb.net...
> ... Knew what the hell you're talking about? :P
>
> stecloud wrote:
>
>
> --
> Goober King
> The grapevine apparently doesn't go to his house...
> gooberking at utn.cjb.net
>
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Mar 30, 2003, 4:47am
For one.....mention the group that you are talking about that is doing this
and maybe you can get some answers to your post. This just confuses
people.....we're not playing "Blues Clues" here.
[View Quote]"jstone2004" <j at jlife.net> wrote in message
news:3e866680$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> If that's the case, then why didn't she just mention some examples? heh,
> with AWTeen meetings, generally they are on Saturdays, sometime around 6pm
> vrt, so, if you don't want to get left out of the loop, just make sure you
> go into awteen on a saturday and find out if there is a meeting that day
> *grin*
>
> J
>
> "alphabit phalpha" <alphabit at swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3e8664fc at server1.Activeworlds.com...
as
> time.
>
>
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Mar 30, 2003, 6:54am
LOL.....I understood all of your little hints there Strike.....b/c I heard
or was told about them......I agree *G*
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e86aafc at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Basically she is on about how meetings are often spontainous, hell im
> infamous for calling spontainious meetings It got me thrown out of MaEC in
> AWTeen (that and working too hard, TWICE) anyway thats besides the
point...
>
> The point is for all of you who want your meetings to me mapped out 7
years
> into the future its _not_going_to_happen_ because noone changes their
plans
> for AW if you give them 2 minutes notice, 2 hours, 2 days, 2 weeks, 2
months
> or 2 years because nomatter how much time you give them if people have
> something better to do they will do it, and if they havent they will stay
> for the meeting regardless, hell I can just go to bed and have a bot speak
> whats being said so I dont have to be sat at the computer staring at it (a
> good idea btw).
>
> Sure some people get 'upset' when they dont get to all the meetings
*glares
> at certain lady* but the way I see it you usualy end up with a much better
> attitude with spontainious meetings... Remember back to when AWI raised
the
> prices, a few of us went "right then!?" and within 5 minutes the meeting
> hall at my mansion in Alphaworld was full and we ended up having to go
> outside.
>
> So its not that people dont like spontainious meetings, its only when they
> are deliberatly timed to keep some people out or cause distruption to them
> *glares at certain members of awteen core* that it should be considered a
> problem, otherwise its all good unless it gets out of hand...
>
> Anyway I have this f**king virus (the 1 that attacks Kazzaa although I
only
> have Imesh :S bah identical source code anyway...) and teach certain EXE's
> the joys of what happens when you open a file in binary in C++ and slowly
> begin using a seek an overwrite function ;)
>
> - Mark
> Yes Yes I know my spelling is absolute 5h|T3 just let me off this time...
> "elyk" <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3e869221$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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>
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Apr 2, 2003, 1:08am
LOL!
[View Quote]"facter" <invurt at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3e89d0c5 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> *yawn*
>
> ..somebody woke me up with a statement I have heard a billion times....
>
> ..I'm going back to bed.
>
> F.
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3e878173 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
>
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Apr 12, 2003, 5:26am
You have to take into consideration that ActiveWorlds Corp. was going
bankrupt....so, they had to increase the prices for profit.....its a
business. There are still plenty of citizens, myself being one of them, who
still pay these prices. This topic was brought up a while back when the
price changes were first made up. A lot of people complained about them
before they knew why they were increasing them. The prices won't change :o(
-Elyk
[View Quote]"twik" <twik at diville.fr.fm> wrote in message
news:3e977557$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I think that aw citizenship prices are too high and I have a good reason:
my
> friend had a cit and he wants to rehave it but he cants. Why? Because
prices
> are too high. He had high speed connection for 15$ more by month and he
cant
> pay this? what do that mean? pricing is too high since January 8th 2002
and
> aw is missing ALOT of customers bcuz of these prices. I think that is not
> bright. Think to it wisely. It is not a good price
>
> think to it
> Twik
>
>
>
>
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Apr 22, 2003, 4:06am
I agree with Bowen......PK's SHOULD be the only ones allowed to handle
disputes in that world.....they used to be able to, until AWGate made
another bad decision by taking their rights away.....some GK's even complain
to the PK's when they are having problems with someone....I'm in training
for PK....I say that if they can't allow us to use our rights to do our jobs
in that world......sorry...too bad for them.
[View Quote]"lady barbara" <barbeisner at msn.com> wrote in message
news:3ea45943$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Bowen--
>
> Understandably you're correct about SOME of the people who want to be a GK
> or a PK--they want to go on a power trip!
>
> However, I resent the insinuation that ALL GK's or PK's are there just for
> the power. If I wanted to go on a power trip, I could very easily do so
in
> my own world. I AM one of those who became a GK to actually help my
fellow
> members and tourists. I do not make ejections at the AWGate or in my own
> world easily or often.
>
> Regards,
> Lady Barbara of Amberlin
> aka Barbara Eisner
>
>
> "bowen" <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> wrote in message
> news:3ea2e3c7 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> patroll the world
huge
> amount more
> eject people
they
> do is use
> annoying.
>
>
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Apr 23, 2003, 1:48am
I never said that I have heard of GK's going for PK assistance outside of
the gate....I'm saying that I have heard of GK's going for PK assistance
"within" the AWGate. All I'm saying is that how are they supposed to do
anything about it.....when its IN the gate? I'm not making an unreasonable
or intentionally rude statement here but.....perhaps a lot of these people
are right about somethings True....I for one am not intending to be rude
about things here....but perhaps some things DO need to change a bit.....and
I know that that isn't your call and it's not your fault....but this is a
discussion group. Complaints and topics arise that all of us may not agree
with....but we deal with them. That's why its called a newsgroup. ;)
[View Quote]"truetome2" <TrueToMe2 at my.activeworlds.com> wrote in message
news:3ea5867c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Ok I have read many of the replies here and as Lady said her question
> had nothing to do with how GK's or PKs do their jobs, she was only asking
> about the procedure for applicants. I would like to say that GK's are not
> responsible for who is accepted or not, that is up to the higher powers
that
> be. As for attacking GK's or PK's I must say I am surprised at a few of
you
> who replied with negative remarks.
> First off the use of Quickword is a tool, to help aide the GK on duty
> when a newcomer arrives, with so many people coming in daily it would be
> ludicrous to continually type the same things over and over again and
would
> be hard to help everyone . If you have never had PS rights then you have
no
> clue about the fact that you see everyone and you are constantly under
fire
> with questions, both from newbies and old-timers. I have seen every name
who
> posted here come to gate and ask a GK some form of question. If you are
not
> happy with what you call "GK Spamming" then don't make gate your visiting
> spot....It's not like your not all citizens and can't go somewhere else.
> "YOU CAN" so if you find yourself unhappy somewhere then go, but to post
> that GK's are not needed or are a Virtual pain in your backside is just
> crazy. I have been in the GK program for almost 4 years and yes I have
seen
> some GK's who should not have been accepted but again at that time they
were
> given the chance just like everyone else. Now you all complain, so the
> selection process has been changed to be sure that who is accepted will
make
> a good GK....NOT a POWER HUNGRY EJECTOR. (Give it time)
> I am very disappointed in the way that this attack has come about, I
am
> friends with many people and all of them know that I have never been a
power
> hungry ejector, hell I hate the paper work. I and most GK's work very hard
> to keep Gateway a fun place for everyone, but above making it fun we are
> there to teach newbies. So I will not apologize for any GK spamming, we
were
> picked by AWI to volunteer and teach newbies, not hold your hand and
listen
> to your everyday complaints. I will tell you now that the ones who
> constantly complain about GKs and ejections are those who will not uphold
> the G rating in gate. Listen up folks "we did not make the rules" We just
> uphold them!!! If you have forgotten them I say read them again!!!!
> As for PK's, well we work with them just as we do with any AWI
> volunteer, but they have their duties and we have ours. If anyone knows of
a
> GK going to a PK for a problem that's because we are citizens just as you
> are and any problems outside of gate are handled by the PK's.
>
> My suggestion here is "Think about what your saying and your reasons, and
if
> you fill you have a real complaint on a GK then take it to the complaint
> dept. Do not air gossip or things you are not completely sure of, you
cannot
> hold an entire group responsible for the actions of a few.
> gatekeepers at activeworlds.com <<--for GK complaints or Compliments.
>
> Sincerely but disappointed,
> TL-TrueToMe2
> AwGatekeepers
>
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3ea3016c at server1.Activeworlds.com...
being
joining
>
>
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Apr 23, 2003, 2:51am
Thanks SW. I'm going to try my best. ;)
[View Quote]"sw chris" <chrisw10 at skywalkeronline.net> wrote in message
news:3ea601d9 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Let us pray that you will represent yourself with the utmost dignity
> deserving of the station. I'm sure you are a fine candidate. Good luck
> with your training.
>
> Chris
>
> "elyk" <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3ea4cdf3$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> complain
training
> jobs
a
> GK
> for
> so
> own
> to
>
>
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May 2, 2003, 12:11am
I think that the main worlds that should be worried about are the DS Worlds.
(i.e DSEden, DSHaven) DSEden didn't even have the "R" icon up until I asked
them about it and I found disgusting pictures of pornographic torture in
DSHaven....Why they won CY's is beyond me....
[View Quote]"princess kiki" <kristymlee at ev1.net> wrote in message
news:3eaf11b5$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Inquiring minds want to know........
>
>
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May 1, 2003, 2:53am
I agree, I think that they should let tourists back into AW. It's where I
built my first house as a tourist and is the whole reason I got to like
ActiveWorlds. It was a world for open chat that wasn't too hasty on rules
and wouldn't eject you if you slipped up and accidentally said "damn" or
something. AW is what got all of the customers....not the gate, not the
school, not any of those other worlds. AW is what got the citizens.....but
hey, I've been fighting at this for a while now too......AWI would make much
more money if they opened AW to tourists....but once again,......bad
decision making. :o(
[View Quote]"the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3eb0a29f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> More opinions.......
> ------------------------------
> I agree with the message. Sadly, I don't AW could care less about the
> tourists, They've rasied prices on cits 300%. It's all about money, AW
> doesnt care about the "community"
> ------------------------------
> I feel a lot could change if AW would let ppl use the product freely
while
> they are deciding weather or not to take out a cit. They could limit
Tourist
> build rights it say so many hours total then they have to decide to be a
cit
> or not build. But then at least the worlds would be populated again... U
see
> they still get their money and there are still ppl on and numbers are up
but
> they don't really move about much the go to their worlds... U need the
> tourists to make it a real Universe experience...
> ---------------------------
> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3eb091e3 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> AW.
> fulfilling
> up"
> paying
good
part
> by
> of
> post
> not
have
> any
to
> m0e
>
>
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May 3, 2003, 4:37am
Yet AGAIN....bad decision making.......almost record breaking!!!!
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3eb2a890 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Okay I have no idea who did this but someone really really REALLY lost the
> plot BIG TIME with this welcome message. Its ridiculous, no offence to
> whoever did it but its absolutely stupidity.
>
> Are you trying to loose the majority of the customer base? You have no way
> of even checking if someone has permission, this does nothing but makes
> everyone run, Im trying my best to develop AWTeen, idiotic messages like
> this completely wreck my efforts.
>
> Will someone please find whoever wrote this, tie them to a chair and learn
> what an initial disclaimer is for and WHAT IN GODS NAME IS GOOD FOR
> BUSINESS!!!
>
> Immigration Officer: Welcome to Active Worlds. Most of the content in
Active
> Worlds is user generated and may not be suitable for person's under the
age
> of 18, parent's permission MUST be obtained before visiting Active Worlds.
> We welcome you to the AWGateway : )
>
> FIX IT!!!
>
> - Mark
> Why am I surrounded by fools? Yes no doubt this phrase was possibly put up
> by a good friend in AWC, sorry if it is you will just have to take the
flack
> this time :(
>
>
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May 3, 2003, 4:40am
In fear that the children might stumble into the CY-Award winning, yet
pervertely disturbing DS Worlds.....*rolls eyes*
[View Quote]"ryan" <ryan_jacob at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3eb2ebf0 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> From the 3.4 registration window:
>
> "To begin your free Active Worlds trial, please fill out all the fields in
> this window and press OK. At the end of your one week free trial, and
every
> month after that, your credit card will automatically be charged $6.95
until
> you cancel your subscription. To avoid being charged you MUST cancel your
> subscription at www.activeworlds.com before the one week trial period is
> over. If you do not have a credit card please see
> www.activeworlds.com/subscribe. Some content in Active Worlds may not be
> suitable for children under the age of 18. If you are a minor, your
> parent(s) or guardian(s) must complete the registration process, in which
> case they will assume full responsibility for all obligations under this
> Agreement. By clicking the "OK" button and providing us with a credit card
> number, you represent that you are an adult and are either accepting this
> Agreement on behalf of yourself or your child. Parents or guardians are
> encouraged to set an appropriate browser rating by clicking on "Options",
> "Settings" and "General". This rating system in NO WAY guarantees that
> minors will not be subjected to inappropriate content. Parents or
guardians
> must use their discretion in deciding whether or not to permit their
> children the use of this program.Your credit card information is encrypted
> before transmission."
>
> What in the universe prompted this? Why is ActiveWorlds, Inc. posting
> warnings all over the place in the form of signs, immigration officer
> messages, and registration dialogs? Stay tuned, story at 10.
>
> Ryan
>
> "strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3eb2a890 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
the
way
learn
> Active
> age
Worlds.
up
> flack
>
>
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May 3, 2003, 6:00am
lol
[View Quote]"bowen" <linkn64s at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3eb3655f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> elyk wrote:
>
> I fear all that defiles my mind with the scourge of perverse actions.
>
> --
> --Bowen--
>
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May 5, 2003, 2:42am
I certainly hope so ;o)
[View Quote]"rossyboy" <rossyboy at swcity.net> wrote in message
news:Xns93718F40C4A0DRo1124 at 64.94.241.201...
> Didn't they just change the rules so that any winning content has to be G
> rated or something?
>
> "elyk" <kfoerst at sbcglobal.net> wrote this
> (news:3eb36444$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com) in general.discussion on 03
> May 2003:
>
>
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May 4, 2003, 2:21am
Her old name was Yanst
From: "shred" <shred at myrealbox.com>
Subject: Re: *BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Date: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:23 PM
Oddly enough, she isn't; at least not according to her citnum (263414).
[View Quote]jerme wrote:
> She is obviously new to AW... but that's ok..
>
> Soon, she'll figure out that the best way to make things happen is by
*NOT*
> being anyoing....
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May 11, 2003, 4:30am
Jesus Maki.....can you say something decent for once?
Everytime I see a post from you, I am afraid to click it because of the fact
that I may become dumber for reading it. Take your ignorance
elsewhere....she didn't say anything rude to you....and for you to call her
a "whore" is just down right rude. Grow the hell up!!
[View Quote]"maki" <multi.forum.284173.maki at awgate.com> wrote in message
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> "the lady" <thelady263414 at hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> here's an idea, whore! instead of wasting your time complaining purely in
an
> attempt to cause AWI to go completely bankrupt, waste your time promoting
> AW, try to get advertisements, anyway you can! get web advertisements,
save
> up a couple mil and get an ad in the next super bowl! AWI knows how you
> fell, so does the whole freakin' universe! i don't care what you do, just
> shut the hell up!
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> maki
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Jun 10, 2003, 3:12am
She didn't apologize, she disagreed ;)
[View Quote]"alphabit phalpha" <alphabitphalpha at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
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> Well the world is the center but the group if ever re-established would be
> the council.
> Why appologize?:)
> Hugggs;)
> Bit:)
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