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chazbot

Apr 22, 2003, 12:39pm
"panther1403" <panther1403 at hotmail.com> wrote in news:3ea52312$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> hmmm is it realy worth $30?
>
>
[View Quote] thats for you to decide, i think its cheap at the price

chazbot

Apr 22, 2003, 12:41pm
it's limit is 5 visitors, ample for most testing purposes. note that
Chazbot keeps visitors who left the world in memory for a while to speed
up returns. To clear the visitorlist press Cleanup in the visitorlist
screen


"panther1403" <panther1403 at hotmail.com> wrote in news:3ea523c3
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> a limit of 2 visitors? sure makes it hard to beta test.
>
[View Quote]

chazbot

Apr 22, 2003, 12:44pm
"panther1403" <panther1403 at hotmail.com> wrote in news:3ea523c3
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> a limit of 2 visitors? sure makes it hard to beta test.
>
[View Quote] btw,any serious betatester can apply for the unlimited version

chazbot

Apr 22, 2003, 3:26pm
"amunition121" <amun121 at msn.com> wrote in news:3ea566cb$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Wouldnt say it was a dumb bot...its pretty good but i wouldnt pay for it
> when there are excellent bots out there that are freeware.
>

<Smile> tnx i like the compliment

chazbot

Apr 22, 2003, 3:41pm
Its ofcourse your decision to pay or not.
Whether its necessary to dub someones work as 'dumb' when you dont know
what you are talking about is just plain silly.

Many people shell out 30 ore more for avatars or objects, which are build
much faster then a comprehensive bot like Chazbot.

On an hour basis i'd need to sell thousands of copies to even make a
minimum wage out of Chazbot.

Trust me, this is not a 'moneymaking scheme' but just to make up for:

1 copy of BCB 6, at $2000
1 copy of 3rd party libs at $400
+/- 2000 hours of work at $60 p/h (about 10 weeks full time)

If i calculate this conservatively i come to about $120000 total, so i'll
just break even if i sell 4000 copies

But ofcourse, as per usual why pay for it if you can gripe about the bad
offerings right?

"carlbanks" <CarLBanks at insight.rr.com> wrote in
news:3ea55903$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> I'd never pay for a dumb bot since Active Worlds isn't worth buying
> models, bots or anything except citizenship even Worlds aren't worth
> the money.

chazbot

Apr 22, 2003, 5:11pm
LoL Wow, BCB really is a rip off. There's always free libraries to
> replace the 3rd party ones... and there are lots of free IDEs (like
> DEV-C++)... and since this _is_ a bot... you don't get paid for
> hobbiest time put into a project.
>
> --Bowen--
>
>
>

grins at Bowen, known fighter for freebies :)

chazbot

Apr 22, 2003, 6:14pm
>
> I am part of the linux revolution. :P
>
> --Bowen--
>
>
>
wishfull thinking, i use Lindows

Visual C Example

Apr 24, 2003, 3:26am
"dion" <Dion at digevo.net> wrote in
news:3ea71cc7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Could someone send me some sort of Visual C example of their bot. I
> learn best from examples so erm... yeah. :-)
>
> Thanks,
> -Dion
>
>

check out www.petrossa.com/download/botclass.zip

Chazbot

May 4, 2003, 4:00pm
To all those interested i've decided to give up on further development of
Chazbot due to the total lack of interest of this community.

One final piece of advice:
1) to those that complain about the lack of community spirit.... look at
yourself first

2) to those that think that the future of AW lies with our 'youngsters'...
think again

3) to those that think that you can get it all for free,.... think again

4) to the rest, be well

Chazbot

May 4, 2003, 5:18pm
Tnx John for your input,actually the bot is completely modular, but in
its betafase i dont want to add to the complexity of testing by
supplying the bot without all its modules. some serious betatesters are
sorely needed,but until now i only got 1 (count them) serious tester.

But i got dozens (count them) of complaints what was wrong without any
further explanation or help how to trace the problem, even from those
that could get the bot for free.

Furthermore, IMHO 12 meg is really not that much for any
worldhoster/builder (my target group) as afaik not many
worldbuilders/hosters run an dialup



"john" <john at 3d-reality.com> wrote in
news:3eb56308 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Baron: I think people may not be interested because 12 meg is rather
> a lot for a bot.
>
> Maybe if you want loads of features you should make a small bot and
> loads of plugins?
>
[View Quote]

Chazbot

May 4, 2003, 6:28pm
"the joker ss" <the_joker_ss at hotmail.com> wrote in news:3eb56a83$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> i would like to sign up for beta testing if you need someone to help out
>
>
>

i have decided to open Chazbot for all. unrestricted, as a friend of mine
accused me i used him to test Chazbot so i could make a profit. Chazbot
will be available without limits in about 2 hours at:
www.petrossa.com/Chazbot/openbot/chazbot.exe

Chazbot

May 4, 2003, 7:43pm
"the joker ss" <the_joker_ss at hotmail.com> wrote in news:3eb56a83$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> i would like to sign up for beta testing if you need someone to help
out
>
>

Chazbot is now available free of charge/limitations other then those
caused by the beta test version at
www.petrossa.com/Chazbot/openbot/chazbot.exe, which is the install
program for the full bot. Still 12 megs, as all features are activated.
Chazbot has too many features to name but in general its a: Gatekeeper,
Weather, Tour, Greeter, Game Bot with upload capability to update
database, Chatrelay on a P2P basis (no limit to connected worlds),
Intergalaxy/world whisper facility (no special tricks, just give the
targetname, bot will find out if the target is anywhere in any world
using Chazbot (seperate TCP/IP interface) and a vast preprogrammed
chatcommand list.

Chazbot uses the (admittedly old) BDE multiuser paradox tables since
they are in this context the fastest and cheapest option available.
Paradox has many good features, but has also one very bad one: it is
very vulnerable to computercrashes.(no rollback) A free repair utility
is available at: http://www.bpsoftware.com/products/TblUtil

I welcome all and any serious comment or bugreport. Depending on
response i will either continue this project or drop it



To recap:

As i've spend about $2500 in buying the tools, and about 2000 hours in
writing i'd really appreciate it if my peers could be convinced to
evaluate it

Chazbot

May 19, 2003, 1:36pm
Tnx, MrBruce, feel free to add any link you want and do feel free to pester
me with remarks :)


"mrbruce" <A1CTWorld at aol.com> wrote in
news:3ebaf2bd$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> If you don't mind, I will add a download link of your bot to A!!CT's
> Bot Center, where people can download it from. We will also test and
> use your bot in A!!CT under CT rights and try out its features, which
> might very well get you some publicity on your project/s.
> Best regards
> A!!CT World owner 327324 MrBruce.
[View Quote]

chazbot

May 4, 2003, 8:26pm
I want to extend my deepest gratitude and appreciation for the unwavering
help, support and general being a real good guy to 347816, aka tag, without
him Chazbot wouldn't even have come of the ground. Kudo's to tag, be well
my friend

chazbot

May 26, 2003, 7:17pm
I got the taste for coding again (phew :) For all those interested in
attributing ideas please let me know via my email addy petrossa at msn.com.
Presently i am working on adding many database search/editing/deleting
functions. My present effort is geared towards easing the purging of
redundant entries in the user database (based on several queries),
building a customizeable database interface,allowing the enduser to
fully customize most database interface screens to the level of
adding/editing/deleting displayed fields on every database UI.

Also i am very interested in any effort anyone is prepared to make in
cleaning up the Interworld/Universe relay part of the bot.

As a reminder: Chazbot through a TCP/IP mechanism allows all Chazbot's
anywhere to interconnect and in so doing allows any world in any
universe which supports Chazbot to relay local chat,global chat, whisper
and remote control to any other Chazbot depending on the userlevel as
defined by the target Chazbot instance.

Chazbot doesnt require any separate instance for doing this, if you run
Chazbot as a Gatekeeper you can implement relaying without needing a
separate bot instance. Same goes for the Greeter, Weather, Touring and
Lighting bot

They are all run through 1 bot instance thereby relieving the bot load
on your world. Needless to say if you activate all functions
Chazbot does put a big drain on your puter's resources....

Chazbot can also be run as a multi-user bot, meaning that Chazbot can
keep track of all entries in any world/universe, tracking any name
people use. The only restriction now is that Chazbot can not keep track
of world names spread about diverse universes. So if there is a world
NUDNIK in universe AW and a world NUDNIK in universe CW Chazbot cant
keep track of the same name through the worlds. To it NUDNIK is NUDNIK
regardless of universe and it will divert all relays to the first
instance of NUDNIK it finds.

This is not a software limitation but an imposed limitation by me to
keep a balance between speed and accountability.

Depending on demand i can add an AI type of chatbot, an IRQ interface or
a Babelfish interface so AW chat gets rerouted through a translator
site.
Obviously results will depend heavily on the translator engine selected.
:)

This is just a general view of possibilites, if you have any kind of
wish let me know...

Interested in comments

Jul 14, 2003, 2:24pm
Chazbot has a full set of weather config's. Allowing to link any set of
lighting settings to any set of skyboxes/backdrops, dependant on either VRT
or RealTime.

"scuz" <webmaster at awscape.com> wrote in news:3f12c61a$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> A true weather bot would be kool.
>

Interested in comments

Jul 15, 2003, 6:38am
"scuz" <webmaster at awscape.com> wrote in
news:3f12e1f0$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Thats not what i mean. I mean one that takes advantige of 3.4
> features. Like moving the sun and changing the sky colors to make it
> look natural.
>

as soon as demand comes i can add it without any real problem. Till now i
have not heard of a single person using this feature so.......

Interested in comments

Jul 15, 2003, 3:27pm
Amen. Anyroad, the botlag/awlag/worldlag will prevent any sky looking
from 'natural' like slowly moving clouds for example.At best you can
reach a kind of jerky 'dynamic sky' on most worlds.

Chazbot has the full set of attributes (inlcuding the 3.4 ones), and
allows linking them to a particular skybox. So i believe best is just to
set attributes once every so often on a fixed time either to VRT or
RealTime.

This was my premise, to link the skybox to a set of attributes and let
the bot revolve them based on their time settings. This way (by for
example setting the same skybox but every few minutes with different
attributes) you can set the weather according to your world's speed.



"kf" <none at junk.mail> wrote in news:3F142A4F.B93 at junk.mail:

> Moving the sun only takes to change the light source settings (which a
> proper weather bot should have done in 3.3 already).
>
> Using the 3.4 features will not make the sky looking more natural,
> btw. For example, the 3.4 clouds do not reach the horizont (but in a
> skybox, they would), the most important thing is, however, the
> inability of color changes near the sun itself or the different
> lighting conditions for clouds (which will not allow for real
> impressive sunrises/sunsets) - so, apart from the moving clouds
> feature, which can be added to a regular skybox sky as well, for the
> most natural looking skies, I recommend rather a skybox set (eg. with
> 20-30 frames for a complete day/night change (hint: use at least a
> 512*512 resolution for each skybox side).
>

bingo bot

Jul 25, 2003, 5:46pm
i am in the process of building a bingobot with the following (limited
list) features:
no predefined bingocards, bot builds a fresh card for each player when he
joins the game. So no need to preload the world with cards. When a player
quits playing or leaves world card is deleted. Each card will be randomly
generated everytime. Bot will store permanently in a database the players
citnum, win/date/gamenumber, number of times played. (or whatever more
info is useful to store)

My question:

To balance botspeed and versatility, the less it has to check for object
overlap the better.

So:
A) who would want the bot to query the surrounding so as to quarantee the
bot builds cards only in free space never overlapping, (slow)

B) who would arrange the playpen so playing would be always on a level
field so bot only needs to check not to build a card on someone elses
card. (fast)

By default and/or not enough votes i will build bot for option B.

bingo bot

Jul 26, 2003, 11:59am
"tag sva" <morespam at spam.com> wrote in
news:3f227d4a at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Option B :)
>
>
>

tsk tsk ;)

bingo bot

Jul 27, 2003, 4:27am
"scuz" <webmaster at awscape.com> wrote in news:3f22dc35$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> What I suggest(and doing for my bingobot) is have a object that tells the
> bot where to build the cards so users can set where they would like the
> cards to be.
>

good suggestion thanks

bingo bot

Jul 28, 2003, 3:06am
"scuz" <webmaster at awscape.com> wrote in
news:3f24834b at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> no prob, itll be good to get a free one out there, and im to busy to
> finish mine
>

:) donations are very welcome

bingo bot

Jul 28, 2003, 6:36pm
"scuz" <webmaster at awscape.com> wrote in
news:3f2565ab at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> i would but im broke >.< $0.00
>

well first paycheck you can donate, i am patient ;)

bingo bot

Jul 30, 2003, 5:05pm
in botworld an alpha version of a bingobot is running, if you are into
bingo take a look see and let me know your findings. Dont try to crash it,
it will from itself ;)

Chazbot update

Jul 31, 2003, 2:16pm
Chazbot with Bingobot is available now on www.petrossa.com/Chazbot
Be sure to read to bingo.rtf before starting it up

New added:

Bingobot
Bingogame database
Tourist database

and much more

chazbot bingobot, contains 8kb attachment - 1 attachment

Aug 2, 2003, 7:15pm
upon request the basics of the bingobot


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Chazbot - 1 attachment

Aug 3, 2003, 5:19am
newly revised Chazbot readme file, many additional pointers

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end

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Aug 6, 2003, 7:33pm
"jerme" <JerMe at nc.rr.com> wrote in
news:3f313c56$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> This is interesting...
>
> You can cause the world to go offline for about 10 mins by wipeing the
> world with an Xelagot?
>
If a bot is too 'fast' i.e. sends instructions to the worldserver faster
then it can handle the worldserver times out.

Its a balance between bothost speed, bothost line speed, world load,
worldserver host speed, and wordlserver linespeed which makes it sometimes
appear spurious.

Its easy to reproduce, just setup a bot that sends zillions of messages to
all people in the world and see how fast your server times out....

Just my 2 cents

Baron Sweetman
www.petrossa.com/Chazbot

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Aug 7, 2003, 6:13am
"jerme" <JerMe at nc.rr.com> wrote in
news:3f31d2ec at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Ok, so... now that we have established this as a real, reproducable,
> problem.... (and no one can say it's just *my* server that's being
> weird)...
>
> Shouldn't there be a solution to the problem? Some sort of sytem to
> throttle the number of commands the server will accept?
>
> What causes it to go down in the first place? Why can't it handle such
> a heavy load? Basicaly, what part of the server breaks when under that
> much stress? What determines how long the server is down and how long
> it takes to "catch up"?
>
> I imagine the solution is a multi-threaded server model (much like the
> Apache model, with the parent control process and children that
> process requests), powered by a real database like MySQL.
>
> -Jeremy
>

The solution is simple, build in waitstates in the bot, preferably
configurable.

The server just gets a buffer overflow and shuts down to prevent damage.
Normal good procedure.

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Aug 7, 2003, 6:16am
"bowen" <Bowen at andras.net> wrote in
news:3f31de7c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

[View Quote] what did Goober say? Oh yes,
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame21.html ;)

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