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Dec 3, 2003, 6:02pm

Crossposted reply from SDK group

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Gee.. shouldn't you post this kind of detailed info in the beta group
where the people working on the code are?

[View Quote] Oh.. you're *not* a member of the beta? I'm shocked.

=8O

You should ask for access.. I'm sure they will grant you access.

Why ENZO himself personally asked me if I would like to be on it,
and I've never even released anything to the community.

ENZO? Can Alex have that spot in the beta you offered me?

Pretty please?

>
> Dear AW development team,

<SNIP *extremely detailed feedback that would cost thousands
of dollars to get from professional testers*>

Obviously you would be a great asset for any company to test their
stuff. That assumes of course that they are interested in finding bugs,
and fixing them too. You've led them right to the exact problem, and
provided enough information that surely they can squash this bug
completely without the costly process of actually reproducing it and
capturing the kind of intformation you have there.

Hopefully the oversight with your name not getting pulled out of the
'beta' hat will be corrected. Hopefully you and the half dozen or so
other people who make things everyone relies on in here every day
have the appropriate access to the AWI developers.

This issue will be a good chance for all of us to see how AWI deals
with outside developers and content producers who provide all of the
added value, which is an issue of particular interest to me.

I would also be interested in knowing how they deal with people
trying to make commercial ventures based around AW technology.
As you clearly point out, this issue is a bit of a roadblock. I would
expect to see quick action to resolve this.

Please.. keep us all informed how this situation plays out.

Dec 4, 2003, 1:49am

Yeah.. but Outlook Express displays it anyway.

</special_andras_flamebait>

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Dec 3, 2003, 8:16pm

PS - I hope they also invite you and a few of the other main third party
developers to participate in the 'alphas' too.

The more time you have to prepare for new things, and the more AW's
coders get to hear your feedback and insight, the better their product
will be as well as yours, and the more it will have to offer people who
have money they want to spend on VR toys.

Alpha, beta .. whatever it is labelled... I hope the top external developers
are asked to be involved :-)

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Dec 5, 2003, 4:36pm

This must be fake.

There is no beta program.. only an 'alpha'.

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Dec 5, 2003, 6:12pm

Hehehehe.. I was being sarcastic :-)

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Dec 19, 2003, 3:13pm

Ever notice how long the smell of skunk lingers? Even if you
bathe and scrub and put on a lot of smelly perfume and soap,
some odours just last forever...

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Dec 19, 2003, 3:39pm

[View Quote] Some people may not like you Bowen, but when you argue
or whatever, you are at least arguing from a point of view you
feel you can defend, and I think you are capable of being
convinced by reason to change your mind on some things.

I don't see you resorting to name calling (maybe if someone
else calls you one first), or blindly posting hate mail just because
you see it's by a particular person.

My personal feeling is that Brock should just be banned from
the newsgroups. His attacks on Anne can't be justified as
anything other than 'hate' posts, and that should be grounds for
being banned.

Apparently he has some issue about something that happened
in DLP, but he seems to ignore the fact that no matter what
happened, Anne is the owner of that Universe, and she has
a right to set the rules any way she wants. She has a right to
change them whenever she wants to as well. If someone
doesn't like that it's just too bad.

He also seems to ignore the fact that dozens of people have
repeatedly told him that noone *cares* what happened.

I never see him post anything but hate either. It seems his sole
presence in these groups is to post hate in response to any
posts by people who are on his personal hate list. I'm probably
on it now too.. but I suspect I'm in good company on that list
(waves at Anne and the other thousands of Brocke 'enemies'),
and I would do anything to ensure that I wasn't on his list of
'friends' anyway (if he has any left).

It's one thing when you're having a discussion with someone
about something to impune their reputation by suggesting that
their position on an issue makes them unsavoury in some way.
That's name calling too.. but there's kind of an implied 'if'
involved.

"If" you feel that way.. then you must also feel that children
should be neglected... that is proper name calling in the course
of a discussion, and it can be part of the fun of having a heated
discussion if you don't take it personally, and don't take it too
far.

But "you suck.. you are corrupt".. that's unacceptable
behaviour, and it's unacceptable for someone to have to be
subjected to it. If you were in a public restaurant, everyone
would be looking for the proprietor to come around and
ask the moron mouthing off to leave and please don't come
back.

Either that.. or most people would leave and go somewhere
else where that kind of BS is not tolerated.

ENZO.. if you read this.. please consider asking the child
who is annoying the nice lady to either shut up or leave.

Dec 22, 2003, 5:33pm

I am not even listening to this 'story' of how he was wronged.
It is irrellevant. The issue is not something else that happened,
but Brock's constant and blatant hate posts.

Period.

Care to try to find another way to distract me from that?

Care to actually read his posts and explain how they are
*not* 100% pure hate with no redeeming substance?

Brocks posts were obviously intended to draw attention to
him. If he doesn't like the *kind* of attention he got with them,
that's too bad. I didn't make him post anything.

And I will be around to help him get the attention he craves
each and every time I see him post something.

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Dec 19, 2003, 3:40pm

Is there some kind of tattoo or birthmark we can ask you to
show us to prove it's you?

:-)

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Dec 21, 2003, 4:00pm

When you fling shit at people.. smell your hands after.


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Dec 21, 2003, 4:50pm

[View Quote] Name calling and mud slinging are not productive wether it's one
person doing it or another.

What you just said amounts to 'he/she started it so it's acceptable',
but that is a lame excuse used by children before they figure out it
just doesn't carry any weight in the real world.

Behaving like a jerk starts and ends with the jerk. The behaviour of
other jerks is irrellevant.

And just as Brock has chosen to 'pick on' someone, I am free to
choose someone to 'pick on' too. You can pick on Seiya if you
want to.. but I think I will pick on Brock if that's OK with you.

Hey... pick on me if you want to. If this catches on, maybe we
could arrange for some kind of buddy system where it matches you
up against good potential enemies.

You could survey people to ask them to rate their opinion on all
the nasty issues that people argue over in here, and then present
them with a list of potential candidates for their 'nemesis'.

Choosing an enemy can be such a bother these days. Think of all
the time that could be saved going to soccer games and eyeing the
people rooting for the other team, having to talk to people to find
out if you are incompatible in all the right areas, not to mention
all the time spent having minor disagreements and arguments with
them leading up to the big day you decide they are 'the one', and
taking them completely into your life as a full fledged no holds
barred arch rival.

So often... you find someone you think is perfect, but then they
go and pull a fast one on you and agree with you on something or
maybe apologize for wronging you and then your hard earned
enemy is suddenly just another friend, and then you have to go
looking all over again.

It can really wear you down. It can make you want to give up
the idea of ever finding your 'soul enemy', but you have to keep
your chin up and keep looking. There is always hope.

Dec 21, 2003, 7:06pm

[View Quote] The stupidity of my post is in your perception of it's purpose.

I wasn't defending anyone. I judge people by their actions, and
I have not seen any of Seiyas actions so I am not about to judge
him/her.

I *have* seen a lot of actions by Brock though, and I was
identifying Brocks lame hate post as uninventive name
calling without substance. Brock has chosen to make enemies.
I just won't remain silent like the others.

My purpose was to clearly point out once again that Brock
in particular seems to only ever post negative demeaning
comments about others without providing any substantiation
to them. That isn't to say that other people don't do it as well,
but Brock seems to do nothing but that. Brock seems to do it
in a very clear pattern.

There are other people posting about Sieya and Elven Princess
but in general the other posters have specific issues on their
mind and are not posting name calling and hateful comments
like Brock is. They in fact state flatly that their posts are not
motivated by the gender choices of the person they have an
issue with, but with the persons behaviour in a given context.

> Maybe your just a really ugly girl?
> Maybe you have no actual friends?
> Maybe you are a girl/guy, if you get my drift...?

Those comments have nothing to do with any actions Seiya
might have made. They are attacks based purely on hate and
prejudice and meant solely to harm the person emotionally and
to undermine their reputation with others without evidence.

The comments also demean:

less attractive people
people with fewer friends
people of uncertain gender

Brock has therefore attacked anyone who is less attractive,
who may not have a lot of friends, or who may have a gender
issue. He has attacked people he doesn't even know with no
cause at all solely on the basis of these attributes which the
people he is attacking have no control over.

That fits the legal definition of discrimination, and that is why
my post really had very little to do with Seiya.

Comments such as Brock routinely makes here would lead
to instant dismissal from any modern workplace, and ought
to be grounds for dismissal from these groups as well. I
believe that according to the NG charter, they do actually
constitute grounds for revocation of posting priviliges.

Would you not agree that those comments above constitute
blind hatred toward certain groups of people based solely on
the people being part of that group?

There is never any reason to his posts. Never any logic, or
convincing arguments, or evidence. His posts only ever contain
hearsay at best, and in any court of law, he would be guilty of
slander, libel, hate crimes, stalking, harrasment and other real life
crimes. This is not hearsay either. Everyone in these groups has
read his posts themselves, so the evidence of this pattern of
behaviour is not a matter of conjecture like his unsubstantiated
accusations are.

Such crimes generally are judged by the presence of a clear
pattern of harrasment and hate, and it is establishing such a
clear pattern, and pointing out that pattern to everyone that
is my current concern.

And personally I find it stupid of you to defend him if that's
what you're doing.

If you are, I point out once again that one persons
misbehaviour has nothing to do with someone elses. If you
think I am stupid because I won't ignore Brock's lame hate
posts because he has shifted them to someone more 'worthy'
of being targetted for harrassment, then I really don't care to
try to fit into your definitions of right and wrong, smart or
stupid anyway.

No matter who he chooses to target, I will make sure that
if it contains any bigotry, racial slurs, hatred, homophobia,
slanders, or other such hate content that it's clearly
identified as such.

Dec 21, 2003, 9:54pm

As said Rossyboy... I judge people according to their actions.

AS is not posting blind hate posts, nor attacking people just because
they are in a particular group.

I have no beef with AS, or anyone other than Brock, and only on
this particular theme of hate he seems to have going.

I don't really want to even see his posting rights suspended either.
I just want him to keep certain opinions to himself, or learn to
express them in acceptable ways.

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Dec 22, 2003, 5:38pm

Seasons Greetings and last minute best wishes from Ottawa
Canada...

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Dec 28, 2003, 8:00pm

'we all' didn't push anyone out. You're painting your brush
strokes a little too thick there.

The half dozen or dozen people who attacked Mr. Bruce do
not represent everyone, nor do they even represent the majority
of the people who read and post in these groups.

I was glad to read anything Mr. Bruce posted about things he
was doing with his worlds, events he was going to have etc. I
was not glad to see all the bitterness and flaming they invariably
attracted, but I never held any of that against Mr. Bruce.

Nor did I really hold any of his posts against him. It's quite
obvious that the 'you all' you were referring to in your post here
knew how to yank the poor guys chain, and knew that doing so
would make him lose his temper and probably post in response
here in the newsgroups. It's too bad that neither 'you all' or Mr.
Bruce knew when to just walk away from something.

AW has lost a supporter and proponent for their technology
because other supporters of that technology preferred to take
delight in destroying what he tried to build with it.

When I read posts by people here complaining about how
AWI is not doing enough for the 'community'. I have to wonder
what they expect AWI to do about a community that is in
fact destroying itself.

I am always glad to hear about any kind of build or event
anyone is doing with Active Worlds technology wether it is
in the main Active Worlds Universe or any of the others.

I don't consider people describing worlds they own, models
they have built, Universes they have started or hang out in,
or anything else related to activites with Active Worlds
'spamming' in the context of an Active Worlds community
newsgroup.

If I am not interested in what they are posting about, it is
easy enough to ignore it.

And your attempt to create an issue out of his post is far more
out of context in this group than the content of his post.

Speaking for 'we all'... don't try to drag us into this. 'we all'
sat back and shut our mouths while a bunch of troublemakers
made a big scene for no good reason and made themselves all
look like idiots.

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Dec 29, 2003, 7:21am

> Ok sorry guess I was so upset I went over board by saying "you all" but I
> used that in place of names and figured you could all fugure out who or
who
> deserves the title "you all"

Well I'm sure the people you were referring to knew that you meant
them. It's just that everyone else would be wondering why you included
them in the post.

That's a really good example of how to alienate a lot of people
unintentionally with a newsgroup post, but it's easy to slide
into that kind of writing style when you are writing about
something you have strong emotions about which you obviously
have.

> MrBrucewas not all about I do so you give to me, he posted world events in
> the NGs like everyone else all during the time A!!CT still had many months
> left.

And 99% of the people reading the NG simply read his posts and
went on to read other posts.

Very, very few people out of all the people reading here in reality
ever posted anything in response.

> Sorry but all I ever seen was attacks against him saying this is not AW
> World related stuff, take your A!!CT crap and spam elsewhere!!!

As said.. sometimes you should just walk away, especially when the
other person is just 'pushing your buttons'.

> Maybe my post was out of line, but I'm a little upset here that certain
> people here were allowed to attack the guy no matter what he posted and no
> one stood up for him, but instead egged the flamers on more by agreeing
with
> them!

"if you're not with us you're against us" is a great way to make huge
numbers of enemies in a very short period of time.

> When I see people saying "MrBruce deserves what he gets thrown at him from
> these flamers" It really shows me what type of community AW has become.
> True as I see it alot of those were jealious world owners who were envious
> of A!!CT's success as being populated 98% of the time.

I think you have a valid point.

But if you look at your own post, doesn't it show a bit of envy?
You are jealous that other people can post about their worlds without
starting a flame war.

I'm not knocking you for being envious. It's a human reaction. You
obviously have put a lot of effort into working with A!!CT worlds,
and I'm sure you would like people to visit, see what is there, comment
on it etc.

But it makes you look bad to knock someone else in order to elevate
your own cause and I'm sure you don't want that either.

The fact is that I often recall Mr. Bruce tacking his own posts onto
other peoples posts, and that is probably why a lot of people considered
his posts spam.

Just as you've tried to turn Jettas post about America into a post
about A!!CT.

I don't think it was Mr. Bruces posts about A!!CT that caused people
to flame him, I think it was that when other people posted about their
own world, he tried to hijack their threads by posting '.... and don't
forget to visit A!!CT world too' or something along that line.

America stands on it's own.

A!!CT should stand or fall on it's own too.

Neither one should take anything away from the other.

> I bring America world to light here, because a few who are moderators in
> America world have been quick to post against any posts MrBruce made
> regardless of its content.

And you are guilty of exactly the same thing here.

You are perpetuating a myth that people have to choose one or
the other... that owning an AW is a competition for visitors... that
if someone visits my world it somehow takes away from yours.

I have visited America, A!!CT and many other worlds. It's up to me
where I go and when, and I resent anyone attempting to limit my
choices.

I will go wherever I wish. The best you can do is inform me that
you have a place worthy of a visit, and when I arrive there to see
all the wonders you've prepared, that is your opportunity to show
me why I should keep coming back.

> Put yourself in his place, how would you have reacted if it was you?

It would have never reached that stage if it was me.

> Leave AW? Thats exactly what MrBruce did.

Leave the NG's. Don't respond to obvious flame bait.

Dec 30, 2003, 4:07am

Well I'm not going to bother replying to you in detail again.

You've slipped back into the 'you all' crap, and pretty much
everything I said has gone right in one ear and out the other.

If you insist that we all hate Mr. Bruce, and you can't read and
comprehend a post in plain English telling you that isn't so, then
think what you want to.

Just remember to tell Mr. Bruce when he sees all the photos on
the giant wall of Mr. Bruce haters that most of them are there
because we didn't take sides one way or the other.

Dec 29, 2003, 1:20pm

Is your hard drive full?

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Dec 29, 2003, 9:29pm

dem2rwx from Andras is good for that
demeter can also do it but I've never used it myself


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Dec 30, 2003, 3:43am

You mean the secret decoder nipple ring....

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Jan 15, 2004, 7:03pm

I think it's more than just the MAC address.

I think it's a combination of the MAC address and at least the serial number
of your CPU, and probably mangled together with the windows serial
number you used to install everything.

Changing any of those will probably change your UniqueID.

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Jan 27, 2004, 4:36am

www.thinkgeek.com

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Jan 15, 2004, 3:43am

> (I will be leaving for good after I expire.)

We'll all be leaving for good when we expire :-)

I hope you don't expire for a long time Brock. Live long and
prosper.

Jan 15, 2004, 7:00pm

I don't know about the US, but in Canada, you can't reveal the
name of a minor no matter what crime they are charged with.

The charges their guardian has to answer should be a matter of
public record though if you know how to find and retreive
such information.

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Jan 15, 2004, 7:57pm

Browse this site yourselves:

http://dockets.kycourts.net/Counties/kentucky_counties.htm

You may find things there such as:

DI 03-F-00010 COMMONWEALTH VS. XXXXXXXX
JURY TRIAL



4 0008220 Terroristic Threat, 3rd Degree NA
5 0008220 Terroristic Threat, 3rd Degree NA
6 0008220 Terroristic Threat, 3rd Degree NA
1A 0512610 Unlawful Access Computer, 2 Deg NA
2A 0512610 Unlawful Access Computer, 2 Deg NA
3A 0512610 Unlawful Access Computer, 2 Deg NA



I've removed the name since I can't say for certain that this is the
right entry, but I looked at Pike county District court dockets, which
are public information and posted on that site.

The dockets are 'live' so tomorrow this information will be gone.

Jan 16, 2004, 12:08am

Thanks for explaining the process. I had no idea if the docket listed
everything that was going on but I do see that is says "JURY TRIAL"
there. I'm not interested in anyones names really, but I am certainly
interested in monitoring the outcome of any legal processes.

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Jan 21, 2004, 11:15pm

[View Quote] I'm not an American (although like most Canadians, I play one on TV),
but the only thing I've been able to deduce from this thread is that it
ain't they speling ore there grammer.

Jan 22, 2004, 3:07am

I just meant it as a friendly joke.

I personally view any language as something that lives and breathes
and bubbles up from the masses, not as some prescribed set of rules
that is set in stone. If it were that way, there would never be any new
words. The phrase "pucked out against a tree" did not come from an
English teacher.

And the way things are spelled in English is antiquated, difficult to
learn and wasteful of bandwidth.

We're also missing prepositions that we obviously need (youse or y'all),
vowels that we have to make up using two other vowels (or we get
around it by introducing the concept of long and short sounds for them),
consonants that we should have using just one letter (th, ch) and other
things like that.

Y'all in America are at the forefront of grassroots english language
reform.

& peeps who chat online r even farther along ;-)

Communication just has to work. It doesn't have to be 'proper'.


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Jan 22, 2004, 4:06am

Well your way sure makes the alphabet song rhyme properly!

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Jan 22, 2004, 3:00pm

[View Quote] It is definitely exciting.

It's also amazing how good the human mind is at pulling meaning
out of chaos.

If say I sentence this in completely order wrong still get will you
the meaning it of.

And eoenyvre has seen the eaiml wihch has the lerttes in the wrods
jmlubed up.

Communication is fascinating.

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