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codewarrior // User SearchENZO - can Alex have that spot you offered me in your beta program?Dec 3, 2003, 6:02pm
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-- Gee.. shouldn't you post this kind of detailed info in the beta group where the people working on the code are? [View Quote] Oh.. you're *not* a member of the beta? I'm shocked. =8O You should ask for access.. I'm sure they will grant you access. Why ENZO himself personally asked me if I would like to be on it, and I've never even released anything to the community. ENZO? Can Alex have that spot in the beta you offered me? Pretty please? > > Dear AW development team, <SNIP *extremely detailed feedback that would cost thousands of dollars to get from professional testers*> Obviously you would be a great asset for any company to test their stuff. That assumes of course that they are interested in finding bugs, and fixing them too. You've led them right to the exact problem, and provided enough information that surely they can squash this bug completely without the costly process of actually reproducing it and capturing the kind of intformation you have there. Hopefully the oversight with your name not getting pulled out of the 'beta' hat will be corrected. Hopefully you and the half dozen or so other people who make things everyone relies on in here every day have the appropriate access to the AWI developers. This issue will be a good chance for all of us to see how AWI deals with outside developers and content producers who provide all of the added value, which is an issue of particular interest to me. I would also be interested in knowing how they deal with people trying to make commercial ventures based around AW technology. As you clearly point out, this issue is a bit of a roadblock. I would expect to see quick action to resolve this. Please.. keep us all informed how this situation plays out. For the last time...Dec 4, 2003, 1:49am
Re: ENZO - can Alex have that spot you offered me in your beta program?Dec 3, 2003, 8:16pm
PS - I hope they also invite you and a few of the other main third party
developers to participate in the 'alphas' too. The more time you have to prepare for new things, and the more AW's coders get to hear your feedback and insight, the better their product will be as well as yours, and the more it will have to offer people who have money they want to spend on VR toys. Alpha, beta .. whatever it is labelled... I hope the top external developers are asked to be involved :-) [View Quote] New Version UpdateDec 5, 2003, 4:36pm
Happiest of HolidaysDec 19, 2003, 3:13pm
Ever notice how long the smell of skunk lingers? Even if you
bathe and scrub and put on a lot of smelly perfume and soap, some odours just last forever... [View Quote] Happiest of HolidaysDec 19, 2003, 3:39pm
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Some people may not like you Bowen, but when you argue
or whatever, you are at least arguing from a point of view you feel you can defend, and I think you are capable of being convinced by reason to change your mind on some things. I don't see you resorting to name calling (maybe if someone else calls you one first), or blindly posting hate mail just because you see it's by a particular person. My personal feeling is that Brock should just be banned from the newsgroups. His attacks on Anne can't be justified as anything other than 'hate' posts, and that should be grounds for being banned. Apparently he has some issue about something that happened in DLP, but he seems to ignore the fact that no matter what happened, Anne is the owner of that Universe, and she has a right to set the rules any way she wants. She has a right to change them whenever she wants to as well. If someone doesn't like that it's just too bad. He also seems to ignore the fact that dozens of people have repeatedly told him that noone *cares* what happened. I never see him post anything but hate either. It seems his sole presence in these groups is to post hate in response to any posts by people who are on his personal hate list. I'm probably on it now too.. but I suspect I'm in good company on that list (waves at Anne and the other thousands of Brocke 'enemies'), and I would do anything to ensure that I wasn't on his list of 'friends' anyway (if he has any left). It's one thing when you're having a discussion with someone about something to impune their reputation by suggesting that their position on an issue makes them unsavoury in some way. That's name calling too.. but there's kind of an implied 'if' involved. "If" you feel that way.. then you must also feel that children should be neglected... that is proper name calling in the course of a discussion, and it can be part of the fun of having a heated discussion if you don't take it personally, and don't take it too far. But "you suck.. you are corrupt".. that's unacceptable behaviour, and it's unacceptable for someone to have to be subjected to it. If you were in a public restaurant, everyone would be looking for the proprietor to come around and ask the moron mouthing off to leave and please don't come back. Either that.. or most people would leave and go somewhere else where that kind of BS is not tolerated. ENZO.. if you read this.. please consider asking the child who is annoying the nice lady to either shut up or leave. Happiest of HolidaysDec 22, 2003, 5:33pm
I am not even listening to this 'story' of how he was wronged.
It is irrellevant. The issue is not something else that happened, but Brock's constant and blatant hate posts. Period. Care to try to find another way to distract me from that? Care to actually read his posts and explain how they are *not* 100% pure hate with no redeeming substance? Brocks posts were obviously intended to draw attention to him. If he doesn't like the *kind* of attention he got with them, that's too bad. I didn't make him post anything. And I will be around to help him get the attention he craves each and every time I see him post something. [View Quote] Impersonation warningDec 19, 2003, 3:40pm
Is there some kind of tattoo or birthmark we can ask you to
show us to prove it's you? :-) [View Quote] Notice of name change.Dec 21, 2003, 4:00pm
Notice of name change.Dec 21, 2003, 4:50pm
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Name calling and mud slinging are not productive wether it's one
person doing it or another. What you just said amounts to 'he/she started it so it's acceptable', but that is a lame excuse used by children before they figure out it just doesn't carry any weight in the real world. Behaving like a jerk starts and ends with the jerk. The behaviour of other jerks is irrellevant. And just as Brock has chosen to 'pick on' someone, I am free to choose someone to 'pick on' too. You can pick on Seiya if you want to.. but I think I will pick on Brock if that's OK with you. Hey... pick on me if you want to. If this catches on, maybe we could arrange for some kind of buddy system where it matches you up against good potential enemies. You could survey people to ask them to rate their opinion on all the nasty issues that people argue over in here, and then present them with a list of potential candidates for their 'nemesis'. Choosing an enemy can be such a bother these days. Think of all the time that could be saved going to soccer games and eyeing the people rooting for the other team, having to talk to people to find out if you are incompatible in all the right areas, not to mention all the time spent having minor disagreements and arguments with them leading up to the big day you decide they are 'the one', and taking them completely into your life as a full fledged no holds barred arch rival. So often... you find someone you think is perfect, but then they go and pull a fast one on you and agree with you on something or maybe apologize for wronging you and then your hard earned enemy is suddenly just another friend, and then you have to go looking all over again. It can really wear you down. It can make you want to give up the idea of ever finding your 'soul enemy', but you have to keep your chin up and keep looking. There is always hope. Notice of name change.Dec 21, 2003, 7:06pm
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The stupidity of my post is in your perception of it's purpose.
I wasn't defending anyone. I judge people by their actions, and I have not seen any of Seiyas actions so I am not about to judge him/her. I *have* seen a lot of actions by Brock though, and I was identifying Brocks lame hate post as uninventive name calling without substance. Brock has chosen to make enemies. I just won't remain silent like the others. My purpose was to clearly point out once again that Brock in particular seems to only ever post negative demeaning comments about others without providing any substantiation to them. That isn't to say that other people don't do it as well, but Brock seems to do nothing but that. Brock seems to do it in a very clear pattern. There are other people posting about Sieya and Elven Princess but in general the other posters have specific issues on their mind and are not posting name calling and hateful comments like Brock is. They in fact state flatly that their posts are not motivated by the gender choices of the person they have an issue with, but with the persons behaviour in a given context. > Maybe your just a really ugly girl? > Maybe you have no actual friends? > Maybe you are a girl/guy, if you get my drift...? Those comments have nothing to do with any actions Seiya might have made. They are attacks based purely on hate and prejudice and meant solely to harm the person emotionally and to undermine their reputation with others without evidence. The comments also demean: less attractive people people with fewer friends people of uncertain gender Brock has therefore attacked anyone who is less attractive, who may not have a lot of friends, or who may have a gender issue. He has attacked people he doesn't even know with no cause at all solely on the basis of these attributes which the people he is attacking have no control over. That fits the legal definition of discrimination, and that is why my post really had very little to do with Seiya. Comments such as Brock routinely makes here would lead to instant dismissal from any modern workplace, and ought to be grounds for dismissal from these groups as well. I believe that according to the NG charter, they do actually constitute grounds for revocation of posting priviliges. Would you not agree that those comments above constitute blind hatred toward certain groups of people based solely on the people being part of that group? There is never any reason to his posts. Never any logic, or convincing arguments, or evidence. His posts only ever contain hearsay at best, and in any court of law, he would be guilty of slander, libel, hate crimes, stalking, harrasment and other real life crimes. This is not hearsay either. Everyone in these groups has read his posts themselves, so the evidence of this pattern of behaviour is not a matter of conjecture like his unsubstantiated accusations are. Such crimes generally are judged by the presence of a clear pattern of harrasment and hate, and it is establishing such a clear pattern, and pointing out that pattern to everyone that is my current concern. And personally I find it stupid of you to defend him if that's what you're doing. If you are, I point out once again that one persons misbehaviour has nothing to do with someone elses. If you think I am stupid because I won't ignore Brock's lame hate posts because he has shifted them to someone more 'worthy' of being targetted for harrassment, then I really don't care to try to fit into your definitions of right and wrong, smart or stupid anyway. No matter who he chooses to target, I will make sure that if it contains any bigotry, racial slurs, hatred, homophobia, slanders, or other such hate content that it's clearly identified as such. Notice of name change.Dec 21, 2003, 9:54pm
As said Rossyboy... I judge people according to their actions.
AS is not posting blind hate posts, nor attacking people just because they are in a particular group. I have no beef with AS, or anyone other than Brock, and only on this particular theme of hate he seems to have going. I don't really want to even see his posting rights suspended either. I just want him to keep certain opinions to himself, or learn to express them in acceptable ways. [View Quote] Happy HolidaysDec 22, 2003, 5:38pm
Nothing personal but why is Jetta Lewis allowed to spam AMERICA World?Dec 28, 2003, 8:00pm
'we all' didn't push anyone out. You're painting your brush
strokes a little too thick there. The half dozen or dozen people who attacked Mr. Bruce do not represent everyone, nor do they even represent the majority of the people who read and post in these groups. I was glad to read anything Mr. Bruce posted about things he was doing with his worlds, events he was going to have etc. I was not glad to see all the bitterness and flaming they invariably attracted, but I never held any of that against Mr. Bruce. Nor did I really hold any of his posts against him. It's quite obvious that the 'you all' you were referring to in your post here knew how to yank the poor guys chain, and knew that doing so would make him lose his temper and probably post in response here in the newsgroups. It's too bad that neither 'you all' or Mr. Bruce knew when to just walk away from something. AW has lost a supporter and proponent for their technology because other supporters of that technology preferred to take delight in destroying what he tried to build with it. When I read posts by people here complaining about how AWI is not doing enough for the 'community'. I have to wonder what they expect AWI to do about a community that is in fact destroying itself. I am always glad to hear about any kind of build or event anyone is doing with Active Worlds technology wether it is in the main Active Worlds Universe or any of the others. I don't consider people describing worlds they own, models they have built, Universes they have started or hang out in, or anything else related to activites with Active Worlds 'spamming' in the context of an Active Worlds community newsgroup. If I am not interested in what they are posting about, it is easy enough to ignore it. And your attempt to create an issue out of his post is far more out of context in this group than the content of his post. Speaking for 'we all'... don't try to drag us into this. 'we all' sat back and shut our mouths while a bunch of troublemakers made a big scene for no good reason and made themselves all look like idiots. [View Quote] Nothing personal but why is Jetta Lewis allowed to spam AMERICA World?Dec 29, 2003, 7:21am
> Ok sorry guess I was so upset I went over board by saying "you all" but I
> used that in place of names and figured you could all fugure out who or who > deserves the title "you all" Well I'm sure the people you were referring to knew that you meant them. It's just that everyone else would be wondering why you included them in the post. That's a really good example of how to alienate a lot of people unintentionally with a newsgroup post, but it's easy to slide into that kind of writing style when you are writing about something you have strong emotions about which you obviously have. > MrBrucewas not all about I do so you give to me, he posted world events in > the NGs like everyone else all during the time A!!CT still had many months > left. And 99% of the people reading the NG simply read his posts and went on to read other posts. Very, very few people out of all the people reading here in reality ever posted anything in response. > Sorry but all I ever seen was attacks against him saying this is not AW > World related stuff, take your A!!CT crap and spam elsewhere!!! As said.. sometimes you should just walk away, especially when the other person is just 'pushing your buttons'. > Maybe my post was out of line, but I'm a little upset here that certain > people here were allowed to attack the guy no matter what he posted and no > one stood up for him, but instead egged the flamers on more by agreeing with > them! "if you're not with us you're against us" is a great way to make huge numbers of enemies in a very short period of time. > When I see people saying "MrBruce deserves what he gets thrown at him from > these flamers" It really shows me what type of community AW has become. > True as I see it alot of those were jealious world owners who were envious > of A!!CT's success as being populated 98% of the time. I think you have a valid point. But if you look at your own post, doesn't it show a bit of envy? You are jealous that other people can post about their worlds without starting a flame war. I'm not knocking you for being envious. It's a human reaction. You obviously have put a lot of effort into working with A!!CT worlds, and I'm sure you would like people to visit, see what is there, comment on it etc. But it makes you look bad to knock someone else in order to elevate your own cause and I'm sure you don't want that either. The fact is that I often recall Mr. Bruce tacking his own posts onto other peoples posts, and that is probably why a lot of people considered his posts spam. Just as you've tried to turn Jettas post about America into a post about A!!CT. I don't think it was Mr. Bruces posts about A!!CT that caused people to flame him, I think it was that when other people posted about their own world, he tried to hijack their threads by posting '.... and don't forget to visit A!!CT world too' or something along that line. America stands on it's own. A!!CT should stand or fall on it's own too. Neither one should take anything away from the other. > I bring America world to light here, because a few who are moderators in > America world have been quick to post against any posts MrBruce made > regardless of its content. And you are guilty of exactly the same thing here. You are perpetuating a myth that people have to choose one or the other... that owning an AW is a competition for visitors... that if someone visits my world it somehow takes away from yours. I have visited America, A!!CT and many other worlds. It's up to me where I go and when, and I resent anyone attempting to limit my choices. I will go wherever I wish. The best you can do is inform me that you have a place worthy of a visit, and when I arrive there to see all the wonders you've prepared, that is your opportunity to show me why I should keep coming back. > Put yourself in his place, how would you have reacted if it was you? It would have never reached that stage if it was me. > Leave AW? Thats exactly what MrBruce did. Leave the NG's. Don't respond to obvious flame bait. Nothing personal but why is Jetta Lewis allowed to spam AMERICA World?Dec 30, 2003, 4:07am
Well I'm not going to bother replying to you in detail again.
You've slipped back into the 'you all' crap, and pretty much everything I said has gone right in one ear and out the other. If you insist that we all hate Mr. Bruce, and you can't read and comprehend a post in plain English telling you that isn't so, then think what you want to. Just remember to tell Mr. Bruce when he sees all the photos on the giant wall of Mr. Bruce haters that most of them are there because we didn't take sides one way or the other. Weird AW problem NEEDS fixed, please helpDec 29, 2003, 1:20pm
Thnx AW !Dec 29, 2003, 9:29pm
dem2rwx from Andras is good for that
demeter can also do it but I've never used it myself [View Quote] Here's A Late Christmas Present To The AW CommunityDec 30, 2003, 3:43am
computer IDJan 15, 2004, 7:03pm
I think it's more than just the MAC address.
I think it's a combination of the MAC address and at least the serial number of your CPU, and probably mangled together with the windows serial number you used to install everything. Changing any of those will probably change your UniqueID. [View Quote] M A T T situationJan 15, 2004, 3:43am
> (I will be leaving for good after I expire.)
We'll all be leaving for good when we expire :-) I hope you don't expire for a long time Brock. Live long and prosper. M A T T situationJan 15, 2004, 7:00pm
I don't know about the US, but in Canada, you can't reveal the
name of a minor no matter what crime they are charged with. The charges their guardian has to answer should be a matter of public record though if you know how to find and retreive such information. [View Quote] M A T T situationJan 15, 2004, 7:57pm
Browse this site yourselves:
http://dockets.kycourts.net/Counties/kentucky_counties.htm You may find things there such as: DI 03-F-00010 COMMONWEALTH VS. XXXXXXXX JURY TRIAL 4 0008220 Terroristic Threat, 3rd Degree NA 5 0008220 Terroristic Threat, 3rd Degree NA 6 0008220 Terroristic Threat, 3rd Degree NA 1A 0512610 Unlawful Access Computer, 2 Deg NA 2A 0512610 Unlawful Access Computer, 2 Deg NA 3A 0512610 Unlawful Access Computer, 2 Deg NA I've removed the name since I can't say for certain that this is the right entry, but I looked at Pike county District court dockets, which are public information and posted on that site. The dockets are 'live' so tomorrow this information will be gone. M A T T situationJan 16, 2004, 12:08am
Thanks for explaining the process. I had no idea if the docket listed
everything that was going on but I do see that is says "JURY TRIAL" there. I'm not interested in anyones names really, but I am certainly interested in monitoring the outcome of any legal processes. [View Quote] Matters of good GrammerJan 21, 2004, 11:15pm
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I'm not an American (although like most Canadians, I play one on TV),
but the only thing I've been able to deduce from this thread is that it ain't they speling ore there grammer. Matters of good GrammerJan 22, 2004, 3:07am
I just meant it as a friendly joke.
I personally view any language as something that lives and breathes and bubbles up from the masses, not as some prescribed set of rules that is set in stone. If it were that way, there would never be any new words. The phrase "pucked out against a tree" did not come from an English teacher. And the way things are spelled in English is antiquated, difficult to learn and wasteful of bandwidth. We're also missing prepositions that we obviously need (youse or y'all), vowels that we have to make up using two other vowels (or we get around it by introducing the concept of long and short sounds for them), consonants that we should have using just one letter (th, ch) and other things like that. Y'all in America are at the forefront of grassroots english language reform. & peeps who chat online r even farther along ;-) Communication just has to work. It doesn't have to be 'proper'. [View Quote] Matters of good GrammerJan 22, 2004, 4:06am
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It is definitely exciting.
It's also amazing how good the human mind is at pulling meaning out of chaos. If say I sentence this in completely order wrong still get will you the meaning it of. And eoenyvre has seen the eaiml wihch has the lerttes in the wrods jmlubed up. Communication is fascinating. |