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Jan 3, 2002, 5:55pm

Amen, I also have recently checked out worldschat, and I was amazed at the low
quality of graphics, and how laggy the whole darn thign is. Only ONE thing I saw
in it that made me drool. They have working virutal mirrors folx, if those got
added to AW then worlds wouldn't even have that leg to stand on anymore.

[View Quote] > Someone sent me a mail telling me my posts in "packaging AW" should be out
> from a little more:
>
> My biggest isssue with AW for many years now, I have been a member since 98,
> has been its lackluster (emphasis on 'lack') approach to marketing. I have
> seen small cells of reviews in like a couple of PC games magazines, sure
> they had their big "boost' from Juno.
> But they have not put enough resource into marketing this product. And why
> not? I cannot see why ( an explanation from someone in the know would be
> great).
>
> I have with my exprerience in world building approached a couple of large
> companies (Universal) with initiatives based on the AW software. They didnt
> have a clue what this was. They didnt have a clue anything like this
> existed, and they didnt want to have anything to do with it cause it was to
> "new" of a technology to "take a chance".
>
> "Too new"? "To take a chance?" I was a user in AW when some of the cits were
> still weening off their mothers teats.
>
> Some marketing needs to be added to this software in order for it to
> survive, word of mouth, is NOT enough.
>
> I meant to ad. Lately I had been researching the competition: Worlds 3D .com
>
> Have you people seen this crap?? Aerosmith, David Bowie, Hanson, and other
> entities have paid big bucks to these people to make worlds for them, and
> the quality of Worlds.com makes the CY avatar look like Aki Ross from Final
> Fantasy.
>
> I was appaled and flabbergasted when I saw what they had to offer and then
> thought, "My God, some of the worlds largest entertainers got suckered into
> something vastly pathetic, when AW is ten times more capable of creating
> quality products."
>
> AW.Corp, post a listing for a Marketing rep, and I can get you some turn
> around before you can blink.
>
> --
> Chris Waddell
> dmonix at dmonix.net
> URL: www.dmonix.net

Jan 3, 2002, 5:56pm

mojobones, the cussing and name calling will NOT have any effect other than to
close the ears of those who need to hear.

[View Quote] > Well, so much for hoping they would have a little pity on the ones who made
> AW what it is. We have the first insight into what our renewal rates are
> going to be....exactly the same!!! $9.50/mo.
>
> This is a new link that has suddenly appeared at the bottom of the ever so
> famous "I'm a greedy bastard and I don't give a f*ck" letter from Mr. Noll
> (Boss Hogg)
> http://www.activeworlds.com/tech/faq.asp
>
> I have just renewed at $19.95 per year and my registration will not expire
> until January of next year. Will I still have to pay the $9.50 per month?
> No. Your registration is valid until January of next year. At that point
> when it comes time to renew, you will need to pay the new rate of $9.50 per
> month.
>
> Read it and weep everyone. It was a pleasure meeting all of you. I will be
> deported on October 4, 2002 to Outerworlds.....But I will make a special
> appearance at the Hogg roast....I'll even bring the apple for his mouth :o)

Jan 3, 2002, 8:59pm

Yep it has arrived

[View Quote] > Shit! I must have just gotten in under the gun, because their
> Citizenship page is all covered with the new pricing plan, and there's
> no mention of renewal whatsoever! This is it then, the moment of truth...
>
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Jan 4, 2002, 5:40am

Due to certain things that have arrisen in my IRL tonight. This will be
my final post to these NG. I also will be uninstalling my AW.

Due to the uncertainty of the future here, I had suspended the
development of the RPG within my world. This has caused friction with
the person who was my partner in that world. So I said enough is enough,
and turned my portion of that world over to them. I now have very little
in AW to make me want to come back ever.

There will be those who will say good riddance, and others who will miss
me. Well it has been a fun ride, but enough is enough. I cannot take
this level of stress over someone else deciding to be a profiteer. Oh
and the site I worked on for AW stuff is gone. Nevermind it will not
return.

Mar 3, 2002, 6:44pm

Oh Sun, you need to just follow through with the promise you made and LEAVE
already. You said you were leaving, why are you still here?

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Mar 3, 2002, 6:44pm

Those who feel the need to explain every move and word, more often than not
are the one's with something to hide.

Besides, I thought you said you were leaving? Just leave if your going to
go.

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Mar 3, 2002, 6:58pm

The universities had an "internet" of sorts before the military did. THAT'S
history.

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:32pm

And who do you supposed WROTE the thing for the military? What you think
some service man did it? As a vet I can tell you nope. They got the "nerds"
in the universities to do it for them.

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:34pm

This is getting boring, Sun can only say one thing over and over. Adding to
blocked user, and ignoring thread.

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:22pm

Gee if all citizens of AW are hypocrites in your mind, then why do you
bother to demean yourself with our presence?

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Mar 5, 2002, 7:45pm

OK so who do we still have here?


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Mar 7, 2002, 4:08am

I myself still think it is silly of aw.com to expect the world owners to pay
for the "priv" of showing off the tech of AW to the tourists. Wouldn't it
make more sense for them to make the world owners pay for the right to keep
tourists out without a bot?

Just MHO of course.

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Mar 7, 2002, 5:27pm

Well I know I wouldn't pay for it, but I think it makes more sense than us
paying to advertise for AW. I have a long standing personal policy of never
paying a company to advertise their product. They want me to advertise they
have to pay me or provide me some for of compensation. The current tourist
plan means world owners have to pay to advertise for AW with the tourists.

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Mar 7, 2002, 6:27pm

Methinks your looking at this backwards. Yes AW need money to stay in
business, however, with the current scheme for tourists the world owners
have to PAY to show off the AW tech to the tourists, and without them doign
so the tourists get to see maybe 4 worlds (hardly enough to sell their
product).

Whit what I am saying, the tourists can see ANY world unless that worlds
owner has paid a fee to keep them out. This would give the tourists a much
higher rate of exposure to the product, increasing the likely hood they
would pay to stay after their time was up. It also has the benifit of not
forcing us to pay to be billboards, but allowing us to pay to not be such.
Thereby getting ever more money for AW.

Yes I did go to Marketing school in the way back. Just decided that line of
work ain't for me.
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Mar 8, 2002, 3:11pm

LOL I know more privatly owned worlds that want tourists out than I do ones
that wish them in. And yes they were trying for a comprimise, but the way
they should have gone at first was let worlds pay to block them, then put a
time limit on how long they can be a tourists with a specific email address.
Now I know they can always get another snotmail address to get another
tourist going, but sooner or later they will tire of always gettign new
emails, and either pay or leave.

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Mar 8, 2002, 4:31pm

I agree we are stuck with it, I only brought my point up in reply to another
opposing view. Everyone's got an opinion afterall.

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Mar 8, 2002, 9:29pm

That could work too, afterall everyone gets a free email from their own ISP.

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Mar 7, 2002, 5:29pm

And thus the bell tolls for the free exchange of data the internet was
founded to provide.

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Mar 10, 2002, 5:24pm

Your not the only one. I start AW in my world, and when I tried to bounce to
refresh somethign it told me the same thing. Then in Alpha World it acted
fine. But I sitll had to close AW and restart it to get into my own world.
It hasn't done this again since however, so I guess the problem got fixed on
the server end.

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Mar 12, 2002, 4:33am

Well I know my world is not doing too badly without the tourists. But then
we are prepping a full scale launch of an RPG in it and there has been
interest generating for it.

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Mar 12, 2002, 4:36am

Darn, this was crossposted. Sorry folx I did not notice till too late.

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Mar 12, 2002, 6:29pm

Actually, being as the servers which run AW are in the USA, by law that
places all activity within AW inside the USA also. Kinda sad but true. Thats
the reason why the EULA for AW states things about no violation of US law.

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Mar 13, 2002, 6:32am

Oh and which country would you suggest moving it all too? Are you willing
yet another price increase to cover the cost to migrate the company out of
the US? I know I am not willing to pay for that.

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Mar 13, 2002, 7:36pm

And I assume you are willing to pay for the company to move everything to
Russia? Or did you want everyone to suffer yet another price increase? Think
before you post. Moving is expensive, and they would make the community pay
for it.

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Mar 14, 2002, 6:55pm

Propblem kah, you have to either rent or buy the server to migrate it to.
That ain't cheap.

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Mar 17, 2002, 5:11pm

Excuse me? I do nto recall ever saying anythign about your being stupid.
Please stop putting words in my mouth.

But I will say that unless the webservers you go to are in a nation that
does not participate in the Olympics, then you probably will still fall
under the same rules. The USOC has to follow the rules laid out by the IOC.
They don't just make up their own.

It think the majority of the posts to this thread lately are right. If your
gonna hold em, rename them and get a new logo. Then there is no problems.
Either that or try to sneak it past and hope for the best.
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Mar 18, 2002, 5:35pm

I agree zeo. My world Barsoom (and my current account along wth it) comes up
for renewal in a few months, unless AW is a barren wasteland we will be not
only renewing but upgrading yet again. If you love AW, then you have to try
and help them stay afloat or lose them forever.

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Mar 19, 2002, 5:33pm

Well I thank you for your comment. It is always nice to be apreciated. ;-)>

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Mar 20, 2002, 4:15am

I notice they also will not tell anyone the area of the new servers.

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Mar 20, 2002, 4:24pm

Not as such no, but it could have an effect on future policies. Such as if
they were moving to Mesa Arizona where they have some of the most restricive
laws I have even heard of.

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