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Jun 3, 2001, 3:23pm

Just one example
You know better than me it's not true, I remember things you said to
Roland, that wasn't very polite of you, and he didn't deserve all
that...
icey

[View Quote] > Second, I only have faults with people who act idiotic, lame, annoying, immature, childish, inept, incompetent, etc; people (and I use the term loosely to refer to the seemingly nonstop influx of immature, unsupervised children who have been infesting AW's newsgroups lately) who post off-topic about their wanna-be self-esteem-building hi-I'm-a-fucking-no-life-idiot-in-desperate-need-for-attention groups/organizations/clubs/gangs/whatever; people who crosspost about their website(s) in multiple newsgroups and news servers (Beardo comes to recent mind); people who just don't get it that most of us couldn't give 2 shits and a piss about them or their pathetic existance.

Jun 4, 2001, 10:16am

When you do not agree and have something to say do you really think that
the most effective way is swearing and beign unpolite?
In the real world people are even more polite, I would rather say even
hypocrite and take my advice who is not will need to be responsible for
what said. Here is different, can be even funny sometimes, but a 100%
cussing and harsh manners are really annoying.
My English classes are doing fine:) thanks, who knows maybe I can also
learn some slang!
I am not bothering commenting the content of your mail because you know
better than me I do not agree at all...
icey
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Jun 2, 2001, 11:25am

Interesting...can you explain us more about the concept of 'classically
brain-washed-PK-loving-AW-ass-kissing nature', please? I am especially
interested in the meaning of 'ass-'kissing', thank you vm
icey

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Jun 2, 2001, 11:38am

Yes I can understand your English loud and clear, it's the 'concept'
that is obscure to me, so I would like to know what that means
exactly...
icey
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Jun 2, 2001, 11:49am

I am not sure I can find what means 'classically
brain-washed-PK-loving-AW-ass-kissing nature IN ActiveWorlds' on the
net...anyway if you're not sure you don't have to
icey

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Jun 4, 2001, 10:35am

Here's again...
CHARTER: news.activeworlds.com/awcommunity newsgroup is a moderated
newsgroup for the free exchange of information and opinions on AW
culture,
language, history, economics, science, and other topics related to
ActiveWorlds. Posts appropriate for news.activeworlds.com/community
include, but are not restricted to, all aspects of ActiveWorlds,
informational posts about AW culture, history, etc. Language issues
related
to AW. Discussion of education, health, environmental issues , politics,
elections, etc. Discussion of books , articles, webarticles, movies,
etc.,
about AW or the 3D internet in general. Discussion of minority issues,
including language, within AW. Job opportunities within AW. Discussions
involving PeaceKeepers and GateKeepers. Suggestions and tips for
newcomers.
Suggestions and tips for World Owners. Additions and alternative
implementations of the AW client or server. AWCOM. posts relevant to the
AW
community and public meetings.

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Jun 3, 2001, 3:09pm

goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jun 3, 2001, 5:06pm

I am sorry I do not agree with you at all
icey

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Jun 3, 2001, 5:16pm

I would rather agree with the following...
> rehabber didn't write at all:
>Sure icey, my goodness... you might not believe Eep has a tactic but
>you have to admit he does much better than most in trying to keep himself out
>and rarely gets in thanks for doing it!

Jun 4, 2001, 9:13am

How are those programming classes coming?

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Jun 4, 2001, 11:40am

If you want to criticize programmers' work you need to be at least a
programmer or a higher graduated in computer science if not you can only
attempt to give your humble suggestions. My English is good enough if
not you wouldn't be able to answer me, btw how is your second language
coming?
icey
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Jun 6, 2001, 7:40pm

I would do a US laws with a brand of Roman and Dutch on top This is
really intop_hic LOL

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Jun 6, 2001, 8:16pm

I think the internet has a new big problem emerging which is due to
culture globalization, computers are becoming more friendly to users and
there is a fast growing number of connections, the internet is getting
crowded and people from different countries can easily meet and exchange
opinions. Laws and rules are different though and still linked to single
countries while the internet lacks of international rules and laws.
'What can be done here may be wrong there'..but we are still playing in
the same virtual space...
icey

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Jun 6, 2001, 8:43pm

I am not sure that will apply for any country!

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Jun 6, 2001, 8:47pm

Yes I haven't got much time atm..anyway I agree with you, I just wanted
to point out a problem about legal and illegal issues over the net. So
your server located in the country x follow rules y but if I live in the
country b and have laws c I can maybe hack your server without even
beign prosecuted...
take care
icey

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Jun 6, 2001, 7:54am

What do you mean post off-topic? I thought that ONE charter was enough

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Jun 6, 2001, 8:00am

I think you guys have some problems, who said you are the moderator?

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Jun 6, 2001, 12:34pm

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[View Quote] > Considering the nature of some of the people in this newsgroup, I felt this was
> appropriate. *smirk*
>
> -----
> There once was a happy little fly buzzing around the barn one day when
> she happened upon a large pile of fresh cow manure. Since it had been
> hours since her last meal and she was feeling hunger pangs, she flew
> down to the irresistible delicacy and began to munch out.
>
> She ate...and ate...and then .. she ate some more!!!
>
> Finally, she decided she had enough. She washed her face with her tiny
> front legs, belched a few times, then attempted to fly away.
>
> But, alas...she had pigged out far too much and could not get off the
> ground. She looked around wondering what to do about this unpleasant
> situation when she spotted a pitchfork leaning upright against the
> barn wall.
>
> She'd found a solution!! She realized if she could just become airborne
> she'd be able to fly again. So, she painstakingly climbed to the top of
> the handle. Once there, she leapt confidently into the air.
>
> She dropped like a rock...and splattered all over the floor.
>
> Dead Fly....
>
> And the moral of this sad story?
>
> Never fly off the handle when you know you're full of shit.
>
> --
> Goober King
> Notes that probably the only negative replies will be from the ones this is directed
> at...
> rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

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Jun 6, 2001, 12:46pm

You should print it and read it more carefully before answering

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Jun 6, 2001, 2:11pm

....yes even eep himself din't get it

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Jun 6, 2001, 7:29pm

Freeze!!!

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Jun 6, 2001, 7:06pm

Oh! Well you should make a complaint to activeworlds.com, why bothering
and post here? Don't you think? In the past the AW staff was taking part
to this NG, it was also moderated. Recently I saw more non sense posts
that have really nothing to do with anything
Have a good day
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Jun 6, 2001, 7:38pm

I think there are two kinds of pertinence: first is a 100% relevance,
the second is 100% relevance + 100% sarcasm
Surely the second is more difficult to interpret

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Jun 23, 2001, 2:06pm

1)Server management
It is one of the best server management available on the net (not even
the many ISPs I have ever had), it is always running, bugs or failures
are fixed in a short time, it is one of the few or maybe the only that
recognized to users additional citizenships' days during longest
failures
2)Browser developement
The continue update and reaserch to improve the browser technology is
excellent
3)Events
All the efforts to put up meetings like the 'Tech Talk' or just to share
events like webcams at shows to virtual join activeworlds at expos
4)Community Human Resources
Although many users may disagree I think this is one of the few
companies where you can talk to their staff, ask questions, give
suggestions, and collaborate to create a better virtual society

Facter,
I have many others good points to tell these are the first things I was
thinking of

icey

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Jun 29, 2001, 6:27pm

What have YOU done for us Eep? I would like your itemized list and daily updates...and don't try to send us your webpage url :)

[View Quote] > So just WHAT have you done for "us", then, Fac? I know about the x/z objects but what else? How about an itemized list and weekly updates posted here?
>
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Jun 27, 2001, 8:03pm

Is he also going to put up a webcam and let us join that distant Teck Talk?
Please:)
icey

[View Quote] > TechTalks in AWuniv every friday... and if you're going to the AW Reunion,
> Roland will have a TechTalk in real.
>
> KAH
>
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Jun 28, 2001, 2:41pm

You mean the Tech Talk or just pics from the Reunion?

[View Quote] > I think that it's gonna be webcasted...
>
> KAH
>
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Jun 28, 2001, 4:00pm

Facter please, live sound, live video, chat, and any possibility to join the
Vega's Teck Talk would be just great...wouldn' it, it would...I hope you
would..wouldn't you:)

[View Quote] > maybe it'll be live sound, live video, or still images and chat, wich, I
> don't know.
>
> KAH
>
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Jun 30, 2001, 11:27am

Some Q&A - Tech Talk - June 16th
icey: what about the browser secure access to renewals
Mike Zimmer: Yeah, anyone anywhere could get your IP at anytime really
Gamer: I can shift with num llock on
Mike Zimmer: but thats why i like my dynamic IP
Roland: whoa...secure access to renewals?
Gamer: same here
Builderz: Ima is correct. You SHOULD think of your IP as being displayed
over you just like names are displayed over people here in AW. =)
Linn: hummm
icey: yes like renewing citizenship
Lanezeri: yea Roland.. your whole renewal online form works but this thing
in the browser sucks..
Mike Zimmer: I never said my name in AW *Notices Cit Name*
JohnF: what names are shown over peoples avatars? OMG I NEVER KNEW
Roland: what about it?
JohnF: hehe
M u n k u y: if people would just invest in firewall programs we wouldn't
have so many problems like that
icey: is that totally same as the web page access?
Lanezeri: It wouldn't work..
Lanezeri: M u n k u y.. firewalls don't stop everyone..
Goober King: Ahh, but that would require you to have some semblance of
intelligence, Munk... AWCom doesn't want those kinds of users :P
Builderz: www.zonealarm.com - Great freeware firewall progra,
Sage.: just drop the tg program all together,,,people can provide their own
IM
Wizard Myrddin: should invest in a on line ordering for world upgrades
M u n k u y: I know they don't.. but it's a start
Mike Zimmer: You have to get a WaterWall
Roland: I'm lost...what's wrong with the renewal dialog box...
Builderz: LOL, Mike
M u n k u y: without one at all it's like running around naked
Kyle 1: Does anyone know the URL for Eep's AWImprovements page?????????
icey: it's good..i was only asking about the security
JohnF: i followed roland and im lost too
Mauz: is renewal box same level of security as https
icey: :)
M u n k u y: atleast with a bit of cover your provided some protection :)
Goober King: Geez, Kyle, he's only mentioned it 5,000 times
Mike Zimmer: I havent had to renew yet, so i dont know
Wizard Myrddin: sending cc details in emails is not a aceptable way of
bussiness
Kyle 1: sorry....I didnt know...lol
Lanezeri: It timed out EVERY time I tried.. I emailed Support Facter was
nice and forwarded it to BIlling and then Noelle (very nice) was helping me
in every way possible.. finally directed me to the online renewal and that
worked..
Roland: the register/renewal box encrypts the transaction, although it's not
the same encryption that https uses (SSL)
Builderz: Hmm... =./
icey: less?
Kyle 1: seriously ...does anyone know? lol
M u n k u y: it encrypts it by spelling everything backwards..lol
Mike Zimmer: LOL
Roland: Lane...that is not a common problem...and it was probably due to an
issue at the bank, not with the dialog
SupaFly: *s*
icey: less than SSL?
Roland: I dunno...define "less"...
Lanezeri: lets kill the bank then
icey: less secure?
Builderz: Does it use a form of XOR, Roland? =)
JohnF: now i can find credit card info by making a prog to connect to aw
server and make it all forwards
JohnF: HEHE
M u n k u y: I would kill the bank.. but they have all my money so it's not
a good idea
Lanezeri: tru
Kyle 1: n/m ....I found it
Roland: Builderz, pretty much all encryption does, to my knowledge
MrGrimm: There will be forms for web based cit buying/renewal soon .. w/ ssl

Roland: something to keep in mind about credit cards and encryption
Wizard Myrddin: and to ug worlds Mr Grimm
M u n k u y: John.. if you want credit card numbers that bad just get a
generator
icey: yes it'd be nice
MrGrimm: the world buying/renewal forms are already online
JohnF: yea, that we should send all money by cheque
Goober King: afk, dinner calls *logs*
M u n k u y: .. or become a waiter and write them down when people give them
to you..lol
Roland: when you use your credit card to buy something online, the odds that
the people you are buying stuff from are going to steal your card, or that
someone is going to hack into their server and steal your card, are about
10,000 to 100,000 times greater
Mike Zimmer: or buy the bot "Anarchist's Cookbook"
Wizard Myrddin: yes but not for upgrading a world
Mike Zimmer: book*
Roland: than someone happening to sniff your transaction as it goes by over
the net and stealing it that way
JohnF: not if you buy from my company, hehe, jk
MrGrimm: for world upgrading you have to wait until the world is within 30
days of expiring
M u n k u y: Think about it.. what's safer. .128 bit online transactions..
or handing your card to some punk waiter who wlaks off with it for a few
minutes?
icey: is that same % with all kind of encryptions?
Wizard Myrddin: ok I wait a yesr
Roland: IMO, this extreme paranoia about whether the transaction itself is
encrypted, or how "well" it is encrypted, is a waste of time...that's not
where the risk is
JohnF: no you dont mrgrimm
Wizard Myrddin: before UG
M u n k u y: .. r writing it down on paper and dropping it in a mailbox for
mail-order
MrGrimm: then the world renewal form will allow you to upgrade/downgrade the
world size/users
icey: why are you thinking so?
SupaFly: one shot cc numbers would be better
Wizard Myrddin: right
Lanezeri: The risk is the damn Billing people asking for my CC number..
JohnF: I agree with roland
M u n k u y: Supa.. rpblem with one-time CC numbers is repeated transactions

icey: where do you think the risk is?
M u n k u y: like for you ISP.. you want to have to go back and enter a new
credit-card number every month
Roland: icey...I just said...you are most likely to have your credit card
number stolen by someone working for the business that you bought something
from
SupaFly: the proble with reg cc's repeated transactions without your
permission
Roland: or else, from someone hacking into their computers and stealing it
from their records
icey: rather than from a transaction?
Roland: that's how 99.99% of credit card numbers are stolen
Roland: yes, rather than the transaction itself


[View Quote] > I post this here so that all can be aware and for those who may not know
> better, be cautioned! I will be pasting content from e-mail with AW.
> Since AW has failed to make a website for bingo winners to renew their
> worlds, Noelle suggests e-mailing her the credit card information! NO
> ONE should ever request that you send them credit card information via
> E-Mail! It is rule #1 in common sense! SSL=security encryption E-mail
> is one of the most open way there is to gather information.
>
> I then asked for an 800 number since I did not feel one should have to
> pay to phone and give them money. Noelle then proceeded to reply with
> what is as close to what could be labeled corporate sociopathic nature .
> Excuses rather than apology. Excuse rather than time table of when AW
> may have a working secure page for these renewals, hell, they give
> worlds away each week. Don't they realize those need renewals? But AW
> again is too cheap to join the millions of companies out there who
> provide their customers with toll free phone contact. There are so many
> companies out there who offer their 800 number for tech support. AW
> however makes you pay to phone! She also failed to mention anything
> regarding the two citizenship's I would have coming to me as well.
> Typical of AW to ignore the majority of the question I am beginning to
> see.
>
> Here are the words from AW corporate headquarters:
>
> My Message to them:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daffy Duck (by way of "Fletch at AWSupport"
> <fletch at activeworlds.com>)
> To: tom at activeworlds.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:45 AM
> Subject: World renewl probs
>
> Hello,
>
> I went to renew the world that I won at Bingo but the
> site said "contact AW, unable to determine free cits"
> The world is a P-20 which I guess owes me 2 free cits
> when I pay you the $40 to renew it since I never got
> them when I first won the world. How do I get to
> renew it if your site won't allow me? The world name
> is "-------". I don't feel I should have to phone and
> pay the long distance charges and I didn't see an 800
> number available.
>
> Looking forward to your reply.
>
> AW's first reply:
>
> From: "Noelle" <noelle at activeworlds.com>
>
> $40 for renewal. Please send your credit card information and I will
> process your order form here as there is not a primary renewal page for
> contest winners.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Noelle Caterino
> Customer Service
> Activeworlds.com Inc.
> 95 Parker St.
> Newburyport, MA 01950
>
> www.activeworlds.com
>
> *(PLEASE INCLUDE ALL PREVIOUS DIALOG IN ALL REPLIES TO ENSURE A FAST AND
> ACCURATE RESPONSE)*
>
> Hello Noelle,
>
> Thank you for responding but surely you cannot be
> serious and ask me to send you credit card information
> over an un-secure e-mail! It is not right for me to
> have to pay long distance either. AWCOM needs to
> address these serious issues, it is business.
>
> From: "Noelle" <noelle at activeworlds.com>
> To: "Daffy Duck" <>
>
> Hello -
>
> As with many other businesses, Activeworlds does not hold a toll free
> number
> as we offer other methods of ordering and customer resolution. Among
> these
> are the mail, e-mail, and online purchasing. Other customers have safely
>
> sent their card information for their purchases. Should you choose to do
> so
> you may reply to this mail (or start a new mail). If not you may send a
> personal US check or international money order to the address below.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Noelle Caterino
> Customer Service
> Activeworlds.com Inc.
> 95 Parker St.
> Newburyport, MA 01950
>
> www.activeworlds.com
>
> *(PLEASE INCLUDE ALL PREVIOUS DIALOG IN ALL REPLIES TO ENSURE A FAST AND
>
> ACCURATE RESPONSE)*
>
> I have always considered that security concerns with AW have been ZERO
> on their priority list. Here is actual proof with the Corporate SEAL so
> to speak.
>
> Let's wake up people! Or does AW wish to use this tactic because it
> knows many users are children? Children perhaps may not know better? I
> know myself and another who have had problems of AW overcharging credit
> cards and not refunding or providing services paid for. Anyone else out
> there with same problem???

Jul 2, 2001, 7:35pm

It's a miracle isn't it:)
icey

[View Quote] > Happy Birthday, ActiveWorlds!!!
> Six years and still going... :o)
>
> This software has been running online for 6 full years now with
> comparatively little downtime and no end in sight... Seems to me that
> "they" must be doing SOMETHING right to still be around; don't you agree???
>
> Worlds.inc went bankrupt and it's rumored that they screwed their investors
> during the process... They are back but the program they run isn't really
> something I would ever feel "at home" in... (Music CD's, anyone???)
> The Palace is gone now... It went bankrupt even though it had many, many
> users... :o(
> Black Sun has cut it's "area of influence" (or whatever you want to call it)
> way back now...
> Worlds Away is now a porn site I hear...
>
> There were other VRs that no longer exist and may never be heard from
> again...
>
> ActiveWorlds, however, is still here after 6 good years!!! :o)
>
> Way to go, AW!!!

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