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Jan 2, 2002, 7:21pm

I just thought of something.. what about those people who have more then one
cit? They're loosing even more money then they think, I have 2.. I've seen a
few who've had about 10. Now you can't be on all those names at once. And
certainly can't pay $1,000 for them all LoL

--Bowen--

Jan 2, 2002, 8:20pm

I don't think the universes and galaxies are being increased.. the worlds
are though (pretty sure). Capitalists at work here.. the rich pay less..
the poor pay more :).

--Bowen--

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Jan 2, 2002, 10:21pm

I'm writing them a letter as we speak.. and I am not supporting the
petitions or those who use terms that shouldn't be used when talking to
someone else.

--Bowen--

Jan 2, 2002, 8:06pm

:) That's exactly my point! They're losing more money then this will
generate in the long run. I just don't want to see AW go down the hole
without it but with the new price plan they're putting themselves further
down it and faster.

--Bowen--

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Jan 2, 2002, 8:07pm

As long as it's the absolute truth.. I don't want one of those "this is what
I want you to hear" deals.

--Bowen--

Jan 2, 2002, 8:40pm

If AWCom will look at it I can come up with something in the next couple of
days.. Maybe, if they'll actually listen to it too LoL.

--Bowen--

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Jan 2, 2002, 8:55pm

I shall give it a go then.. I hope that they will listen to what I come up
with, but I'm going to need some concise #'s.. how many active cits do you
suppose there really is?

--Bowen--

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Jan 2, 2002, 9:01pm

You need to calm down.. at least I'm trying to help instead of pulling an
eep on everyone and going off at them. I'm a math major and an economy
major.. you think I don't know how economy works? I may even know more then
Rick knows about the economy. They can find other sources of revenue then
what they're trying to pull at this moment. I took you off my kill-file so
I could hear your at least logical views on it, instead of the generic
"you're stupid, shut up." Just because AW's a corporation doesn't
necessarily mean it's making good decisions, we're all human. There ARE
quite a few alternatives to what they're doing.

--Bowen--

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Jan 2, 2002, 9:11pm

I will do that if that's what you guys want. But I need consensus if I'm
going to. And I want to hear what you guys want.

--Bowen--

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Jan 2, 2002, 9:21pm

In the case of the cits.. we're the only thing that's keeping AW afloat..
without the cits there is no AW, thus there is no company, they can't
survive soaly on companies buying Universe/galaxies.

--Bowen--

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Jan 2, 2002, 9:32pm

I haven't signed any.. I don't plan on it either. It's such a waste of
time. Today I've seen the highest amount of users I've ever seen in AW..
all care about what's happening but a lot can't afford it.

--Bowen--

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Jan 7, 2002, 8:26pm

>
> cause the M stands for Microsoft :D
> (sorry, I had missed that one... lol)

LoL glad you pointed out what I said in one of the earlier posts of that
thread.

--Bowen--

Jan 3, 2002, 2:14am

I want to know who's going to leave with the price increase.. I know it's a
great amount. Don't say anything bad just tell if you'll leave or not. :)

--Bowen--

Jan 3, 2002, 2:48am

AW has in fact a lot of reserves. :) Not only that they shouldn't be paying
an increase in anything or charging, there's no need to. They could
probably generate profits for another 3 or 4 years. Before they'd need to
raise it a little, but 600% is too much for the surplus they currently have.
Their analyst doesn't seem to know too much about economies..

--Bowen--

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Jan 3, 2002, 10:36am

Common sense from this:

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/011114/awldw.html

it's pretty obvious they have quite a bit of money and are no where near the
"hole" yet. Decrease spending and cut salaries if you're having trouble..
that's what should be done first.

--Bowen--

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Jan 3, 2002, 8:15pm

Their market "expert" that came up with this plan doesn't realize that a
little over $50,000 a year is a lot of money for the head programmer in a
small company. The other programmers are payed around $40,000.. so I'm
told. Why wouldn't this be enough for updates.. they know what they're
doing it's their job. They make more then enough money for this at the
moment just from citizens of the approximate 30,000 cits that pay $20 a year
and for the world licenses on average of $30 per world of the 1500 non
trial-like worlds alone to pay those costs.

--Bowen--

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Jan 3, 2002, 6:11pm

Well.. I've finished the latter I'm planning on sending to Rick and JP. I
was wondering if there's anything else you guys want me to consider adding?
I definately don't agree with removing historical buildings.. they're what
make AW, AW. As for the rest of this.. I hope this shows what their
"business analyst" and the rest of the board of directors thinks about the
community.. I said this once in another community.. "Power corrupts,
absolute power corrupts absolutely." This still holds true in this
decision. That's my opinion anyways :)

--Bowen--

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Jan 3, 2002, 6:20pm

Thank you, I certainly hope they do.. they've really doomed the company with
this decision, sure there'll be some people left.. not enough to bring in
more money then what they charged before this "no tourist" idea. The
tourists are their source of immigration into the universe.. what a bad idea
to eliminate the one thing that's bringing in the people who can pay the
money to use the software.. this is by far a MMORPG and shouldn't be
considered it since it's missing quite a lot of features and functions an
RPG would have. Not to mention framerates.

--Bowen--

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Jan 3, 2002, 7:01pm

Just make sure you don't use terms that you wouldn't use to your parents. We
all know what they are by now ;). Good luck Cozmo.

--Bowen--

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Jan 3, 2002, 10:00pm

LoL :). Good :) That's funny stuff, sounds like some of the things I've
heard lately.

--Bowen--

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Jan 4, 2002, 9:45pm

> Computers are just like that, who loves them knows how it is demanding
> to upgrade regularly and keep updated, this isn't a problem of
> activeworlds , this is a problem of the whole computer based
> technologies. I am sorry to hear that and I hope that you will soon come
> back, otherwise even the net itself will be soon a place that won't let
> you in, not for charging but for your machine is getting old.
> take care
> icey

The net requires nothing more then a web-browser (even text based ones still
exist! like lynx!!) and some form of connection to view. Some of the oldest
PC's can still view the web. Now if you're talking applications.. yes you
will need to update every so often to keep up fairly well.

--Bowen--

Jan 5, 2002, 2:31am

LoL I was waiting for you to post this :)

> As is english spelling.

As is English grammar. :)

(notice english is not English in his post hehe)

--Bowen--

Jan 5, 2002, 2:34am

LOL, you're better then a lot of people that speak English natively. ;)

--Bowen--

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Jan 5, 2002, 11:45am

The only reason their stock is going up is because their board of directors
is buying stock in their own company to increase the volume so more people
will start buying stock and it'll actually get back on nasdaq, it's been
inactive too long to get noticed.

--Bowen--

Jan 6, 2002, 3:16pm

LoL people? Probably just one person. They need to go back to college to
get their degree again because they're not to great. Sounds like he got his
GED and just got a job at AW because he knew Rick or JP.

--Bowen--

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Jan 5, 2002, 9:40pm

LOL I like him :)

--Bowen--

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Jan 9, 2002, 6:08pm

That's true, I watched that discovery channel episode. :)

--Bowen--

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Jan 9, 2002, 9:43pm

Uhhh.. Our universe wasn't theorized to be a singulairty at the beggining.
A singularity is a great concentration of gravity. Yes the universe is
theorized to be a sphereical entity, but it's expanding infinitely at faster
then light speeds. If it does slow down, it would already be "infinite."
The only way that gravity could effect our universe to the degree it would
slow down would be if some other universe-type thing were to act on it.. but
so far we can't support that there's things beyond our universe. :) So
you're saying with the red-shift, blue-shift stuff that just because
galaxies are coming closer to us means our universe is shrinking? Galaxies
can move as well, they're not stationary in space. Think of our universe as
a bowl.. if you put 2 marbles in it and fling them around it.. they move
around.. sometime they may collide, it's just the entropy of the system
they're in that determines it. Like a comet collides with a planetary body,
galaxies could collide with each other. That's my input, hope it seems
right? That's basically what that show said with Stephan Hawking (smartest
person in the world, IQ in the high 200's.. works in universe physics and
theories) on it.

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Jan 9, 2002, 10:51pm

> Hmm, nothing in here I believe is true. The believe the Big Bang Theory,
> that the universe started out as a single point, a singularity, at the
> center of our universe it is exapnding still now, but the expansion is
> slowing, and will eventually shrink.

That could be possible. It won't happen for a couple billion millenium
though

>There is radiation at the center of the universe left to support this
theory

Have you known anyone to center of the universe? You can't say there is
unless we've been there to measure it. It's theorized that there's some
left.

>Gravity has infinite distance, no matter how minute...

Really? Can you feel the gravity of my hands grasping your throat? :) It's
proportional to the mass of the object.

>Check out this law of physics...A body continues in its state of constant
velocity unless it is acted upon by an external force.

Yes but it's proportional to the mass of the object that's acting on it plus
the distance away, and sometimes the polarity of the objects, magnetic
fields are stronger then gravity.

>The glalxies are in a constant state of motion out-wards, and the external
force
is gravity.

If that were true, according to you they'd be moving towards each other..
not outward and away.

> About your bowl theory, that is only possible if objects have an orbit,
and to have an orbit there would have to be an object in the middle with
great enough gravity to hold it in orbit, dont get me wrong tho, the gravity
would still have an effect on objects even if they were moving too fast to
enter orbit.

No, objects can move without an orbit around something. That's how things
in space can move with nothing to propel against.

> So, the universe isnt like marbles in a bowl, its more like blowing up a
balloon,
it's expanding in all directions.

Yes but I was using the bowl as an example of an expanding universe. As the
universe expands, the matter inside it expands as well.

>Also, as they are expanding, we only see red-shift, that means all the
galaxies are moving away from eachother, getting farther apart... but the
speed at witch they are moving apart is slowing down, due to gravity, the
the Doppler effect can prove that.

No, it's slowing down because other things are acting upon them. Gravity
isn't the only force in our universe. There's magnetic fields, black holes,
white holes, worm holes, other singularities, etc. Although gravity is
extremely strong, it's all dependent on the mass of the object and the
distance between the objects. That's why black holes can suck in light,
they have an extremely dense mass-singularity. As galaxies get closer,
because they have so much mass, they act upon each other and get closer.
But this doesn't mean the universe is collapsing just yet.

--Bowen--

Jan 9, 2002, 11:32pm

LoL calm down with the shouting.

> No but we can dectect it with our powerful telescopes....

No telescope is that powerful, not even hubble, nor our radio telescope
arrays.

> It's
>
> Yes it is proportional to the mass of the object, you hands to exert a
force
> on me, but it is so minute that I can't feel it at all...

So then if I were to hold it there for a long time I could crush your neck.
Since it's constant.

constant
> plus
>
> Do you really think the black holes at the center of galaxies, if there
are
> black holes at the center, push us away from everything else?

There's more then black holes at the center, there's proto-suns, and there's
white holes as well. Proto-suns emit energy at such a high rate it pushes
mass away. So do white holes.

> external
other..


> GRRRRR. OVER TIME the force exerted by gravity is causing the slow-down of
> the expansion, the change from red-shift to blueshift... Kinda like when
you
> up in the air and running in AW, it takes you a little time to slow down
and
> stop then go backward, maybe a second in AW, but trillions of years in the
> universe...

Gravity? No, that's acceleration.

orbit,
> gravity
to
things
>
> Read what i read again and you will see thats not what i meant.... OBJECTS
> IN ORBIT HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIER ORBIT TO HOLD THEM
IN
> ORBIT...

I never said the marbles were orbitting originally ;). I just implied they
were moving in space. Perhaps they're commets and they've flow by numerous
solar systems. In the middle of their orbit? No they can be anywhere to
propel them in some direction.. if the mass is greater then that of the
object, but not too strong, then it'll orbit. There's solar systems with 2
suns.. how do you think they orbit? Complete circular path? More like a
figure 8 ;)

a
> the
>
> well the marbles in the bowl in no way can represent the expanding of the
> universe becuase the galaxies arent going around in a circle or even a
> spiral, so there would be no random movement like you show in the bowl,
the
> galaxies are moving in a straight line... outwards, untill gravity pulls
> them back in.

LoL yes galaxies do rotate. Our solar system is rotating around a galaxy
that theoretically has a small proto-sun in the middle. I never said what
the marbles represented though. Galaxies can move in more then spirals..
the move on all 3 of spaces' axes.

the
the
Gravity
> holes,
>
> Did i say the universe was collapsing yet? magnetic fields have a finite
> reach... any internal force cant excert a force externally, kinda like
> trying to lift a chair without touching the ground while your standing on
> it... gravity is an external force, it is infinite in distance so, the
> galaxy at the otherside of this universe is also exerting a force on me,
tho
> it is probably even more minute than your hands.

You said they were moving closer together which implied they were
collapsing. Magnetic fields have as finite a reach as gravity does, it's
based on the charge of the object, like gravity is based on mass. An
internal force can exert external forces.. it's called an explosion :).
Lifting the chair is possible while you're standing on it, but you can't
keep it up. That has to do with the Earth's gravity rather then the gravity
of the two objects. Gravity is both internal and external. I'm exerting
it, and you're exerting it, yours acts on me, mine acts on you. :) LoL
does this have anything to do with free objects anymore? :)

--Bowen--

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