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sw chris // User Search
sw chris // User Search
Feb 22, 2002, 4:54am
Oh lay off it. He let us know, isn't that enough for you? Besides, what
did the bot do? It created a search index. Good grief.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"johnny b" <uniquect at optonline.net> wrote in message
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> So you're saying this is YOUR bot Grimm ???
> If so..... Don't you think it would have been nice if we world owners
were
> INFORMED of this ?? I know " I'D " like to know exactly what information
> this bot gathered, as my worlds are CLOSED and PRIVATE...... and see no
> reason as to why AWC needs to know the content of such......
>
> Anyone else disturbed by this ?
>
>
> "mrgrimm" <will at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
> news:3c74b376$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Feb 22, 2002, 5:08am
How in the hell do search engines work, ananas?
SW Chris
[View Quote]"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> wrote in message news:3C75D773.D0D667B4 at oct31.de...
> Program driven data mining on a host that explicite denies
> it is not legal in most countries.
>
> There's not a probem with doing it by writing it down, the
> problem is the usage of a backdoor. I have nothing against
> someone indexing the worlds. The only problem in this case
> is the usage of a backdoor.
>
>
> trekkerx wrote:
world
news:3C7558AB.DD719CDF at oct31.de...
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> --
> "_
> |
> /\
> \ /
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Feb 22, 2002, 5:12am
You know what? I don't allow spyders to search my website, I payed for it,
and they still do.
AWC, this is madness. I have now gotten a small taste of what it's like to
be in your shoes.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"carolann" <carolannh at charter.net> wrote in message
news:3c75809a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Why? Because I don't allow bots and they used one. Whether they have a
right
> or reason to do that is beside the point. I think world owners owe it to
> themselves and their builders to stay aware of anything that goes on in
his
> or her worlds that might jeopardize their investment of time and money.
Don'
> t you? I happened to be the one who discovered these strange entries in
the
> logs of the 2 worlds that I host myself and showed someone who I knew
might
> be able to help me decipher them. When he checked it out he found that
there
> were others who had this happen. I personally think that the apparent
future
> browser feature sounds great -I'd like to see that and I don't care if
they
> check out my worlds, but anytime you attempt to keep something you're
doing
> on someone's property (rented from you or otherwise) a secret-a birthday
> party or burglary or whatever-you take your chances on the reaction of the
> recipient if they catch you. You then (and always) have a responsibility
to
> account for your actions. Should I have kept quiet because there was a
> chance that the "Search Spider" had a good reason to be there or was I
right
> in investigating on the chance that it didn't? I pay a good amount of
money
> every year to have my worlds, and I think in doing so I have the right to
> question what goes on there even by the company from whom I license them.
I'
> m sorry I untied the first knot that let the cat out of the bag but I also
> know that I had the right to look inside under the circumstances.
>
> "trekkerx" <zac at commatron.com> wrote in message
> news:3c757898 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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> its
they
> news:3C755143.97611BC7 at oct31.de...
search
world
a
all
> of
> bot.
databased.
> 02:16
> relevant
> message
> this.
>
>
Feb 23, 2002, 5:46pm
I beg to differ. Go search for Skywalkeronline.net on Google and you'll
find it at the top of the page. I never submitted it to any search engine.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"silenced" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message
news:3c75f40c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The user submits their site to the search engine. I thought indexing bots
> just check for updates. My website hasn't been indexed in a search engine
> and the bots visit it all the time.
>
> Still a little warning would've been nice that they're testing this. And
> instead of a bot doing all this, a submit site where we can submit our own
> world info would've been great. Welcome messages and world titles
sometimes
> don't have anything to do with what's going on in the world.
>
> -Silenced
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3c75ee7f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> news:3C75D773.D0D667B4 at oct31.de...
> go
your
>
>
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Feb 23, 2002, 5:49pm
I said search engines use bots called spiders to go and build their
database. They mine the internet for data, which coincidentally is about
the same as mining world servers for search criteria.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"milesteg" <MilesTeg at nerim.net> wrote in message
news:3c760f2a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> are you really thinking that search engine use a backdoor??? LOL
> I can t believe you said that.. LOL
>
> does a search engine use a backdoor in http protocol? NO WAY
> they use a simple http get request like any other browser do and most are
> kindly enough to send an http header identifying their special browser and
> most even check for a robot.txt file in your web site where they could
find
> your policies.
> and you paied someone to disallow search engine on your website ??!! he
> could easily do that...if it is not working like you want , it is not
> because search engine use a backdoor.. it is just because this person took
> your money and did nothing for you......if you need a private web site,
> things will be even easier to do...
>
> Regards,
> MilesTeg
>
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 3c75ee7f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> news:3C75D773.D0D667B4 at oct31.de...
> go
your
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Feb 23, 2002, 5:51pm
And I thought I've seen everything. oi vey. Use some sense, Aine. No
company in their right mind would do that.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"aine" <Aine at DeDanaan.com> wrote in message
news:3c77e36e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
A bot like that can not only grab the world title, welcome message, and
keywords, it can also grab the builder's list and then it's database can be
used to identify which world cit#123456 has builder's rights in, and once it
knows that, it can be programmed to systematically go from one world to the
next destroying cit#123456's builds while leaving the rest of those worlds
intact.
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That's just one example of what could be done with the information contained
in the World Rights box.
Aine
[View Quote]"joeman" <Joeman at bootdown.com> wrote in message
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> I have talked with MrGrimm, that's all the bot does, is index. Your way
too
> unsecure to have a bot run through and grab your world title, welcome
> message, and keywords (3.3). That's all it does, that's all it will ever
> do. Stop trying to prove AWC wrong, you will loose. If you don't, just
ban
> the bot from your world and stop moaning.
>
> -Joe
>
> "aine" <Aine at DeDanaan.com> wrote in message
> news:3c77cd97 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Ok, and you think that's all it was doing, eh?
> Seen any proof of that?
>
> Aine
>
> "zeo toxion" <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3c77cb00$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> what
program?
AWC
> such
> which
PROVEN
the
>
>
>
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Feb 23, 2002, 5:55pm
How about settling for door #2?
Get over it. *grin*
SW Chris
[View Quote]"silenced" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message
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> I would stop if we got an apology and a promise that they'll inform us of
> any more information that pretains to us or the future browser in which
they
> need information in any way, shape, or form.
>
> -Silenced
>
> "grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:3c77dcdc$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
in
saw
would
end
is
> to
that
and
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Feb 23, 2002, 11:18pm
Yes. That's all, Agent1. Nothing more, nothing less.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"agent1" <Agent1 at my.activeworlds.com> wrote in message
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> Isn't that just to check that your Universe/Galaxy license is valid and
that
> you're "allowed" to run it?
>
> -Agent1
>
> "punky feople" <derek at cyboria.com> wrote in message
> news:3c7829b1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> them.
>
>
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Feb 23, 2002, 11:21pm
So unless they've stopped using spiders like they used four years ago and
web developers have stopped using Meta search tags in their pages, you're
absolutely right. But then why am I, as a web developer, still recommended
to add meta search tags? Maybe I'm not as educated about search engines as
I'd like to think. So perhaps you could explain? Thanks. :)
SW Chris
[View Quote]"silenced" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message
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> Then maybe it's your website hoster? Check google for omegauniverse.com
...
> it'll end up with no information. Robots check it daily as well. I've
> never submited mine either ;)
>
> -Silenced
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3c77f1ad at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> engine.
> bots
> engine
> And
> own
decides
> to
into
>
>
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Feb 24, 2002, 7:56pm
Opinion noted, and respected. Let me point something out though... I don't
think it's not so much wanting to keep everything secret, it is moreso the
necessity of not mentioning it. I heard it mentioned that the original
intention for the secrecy of this matter was to give everyone a pleasant
surprise when they got the 3.3 update installed. Of course I could be
wrong, but that's the impression I got.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"silenced" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message
news:3c784900$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Um? What did I say for being "absolutely right." I just said I never
> submitted mine. Yours doesn't have any meta tags on it either from what
> I've seen, besides the obvious <meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
> content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
>
> That would stand to prove that you or someone you know submitted it. I
> don't have the meta tags on mine, it hasn't been indexed either. It's
> recommended if you want to be indexed, I didn't want to be indexed at the
> moment, so it doesn't matter to me.
>
> The whole point is, why should we have our worlds included in the index?
If
> we want it to be, they should use a bot privilage that doesn't have rights
> to the entire universe. And then they post it on their website, and
provide
> it in an e-mail to all world owners, if you want your world indexed, put
the
> bot's citnumber in the allow bot's field. Or better yet, include a
webpage
> where we can post *exactly* what it is that we want included in an index
of
> the world.
>
> Why do they even need to do these beta's in secret? What in the world do
> they have to hide from us that they can't tell us or send an e-mail? It's
> very easy to use that database which sends out the newsletters to send an
> e-mail. Then the issue of spam, but oh well, it's better then having
things
> go on behind your back.
>
> I am sorry if you don't care about these things, but I do. And it seems
I'm
> not the only one. I hate when people, much less a company, does things
> without the knowledge of their users.
>
> It seems that some people like to complain about us "debaters" concearned
> with privacy as much as we like to argue and complain. Really, if you
don't
> want to read it, quite simply, don't. If you don't care that a bot is
> indexing your worlds, don't post in this thread. If you're sick of
reading
> these posts, don't read them. I'm not saying this to you, but to everyone
> that is mad that we're trying to find out exactly *why* they need to keep
it
> secret in the first place, no matter if it is a beta run.
>
> And as for Moff's post.. I don't feel like posting a new message for it,
so
> I'll say it here since it ties in with, "don't read it if you don't like
> it." Although it's true, we do have some heated debates, these newsgroups
> are some of the best palces to discuss ideas,problems, and get help. I
seem
> to notice that moff needed help with something the other day.. what if
these
> newsgroups weren't here? He might've been asking around a while to find
the
> answer. If you don't like what is said, I'll say it again, don't read the
> darn post/thread. There was no reason to post that, if he's sick of it,
too
> bad so sad, just leave.
>
> That's my opinion of the whole thing.
>
> -Silenced
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3c784033 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
and
you're
> recommended
> as
omegauniverse.com
I've
> you'll
> indexing
search
this.
> our
>
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 4:28pm
That is just a rumor, and it's not going further than that. Otherwise I
would have heard something more substantial about it by now. :) So fear
not, you have no need to worry. Hopefully.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"aine" <Aine at DeDanaan.com> wrote in message
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"sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
news:3c79618e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Opinion noted, and respected. Let me point something out though... I
don't
> think it's not so much wanting to keep everything secret, it is moreso the
> necessity of not mentioning it. I heard it mentioned that the original
> intention for the secrecy of this matter was to give everyone a pleasant
> surprise when they got the 3.3 update installed. Of course I could be
> wrong, but that's the impression I got.
>
> SW Chris
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On the other hand, the rumormill is now talking about AWC charging $30 extra
for that update to 3.3, even though world and 3D Homepage owners are still
required to pay the Tourist Fee, free cits for world owners have been
reduced or eliminated, and citizen prices have been raised.
How much more money do they expect us to pay before we even get a glimpse at
the "promised new features"?
*shakes head*
And they have hopes of selling this browser on a CD?
They just don't get it down there at the home office, do they?
Aine
Feb 25, 2002, 4:31pm
The software is our social future. That is its purpose.
If they ask, a debate would spring up, sure. But each person owning a world
would be individually responsible for allowing or not allowing the world to
be indexed. The debate that would inevitably happen wouldn't matter much at
all.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
news:3c7a73d1$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ok how about this.....they send a letter out to ASK permission to get the
indexing info...and all hell breaks loose in the
> newsgroups debating on how and why they should or should not index each
world.....got the idea? you people are a waste of their
> time and effort.......sit back and enjoy the ride....or get the hell off
the ride......:) your starting to ruin the fun for the
> people who are in this for fun....;) They are planning the future of
their SOFTWARE not your social future..... don't be so
> hard on them for trying.
>
> Leo :)
>
>
>
>
> "kah" <kah at kahnews.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:3c77b96c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
the
the
do
shouldn't
about
and
case, it
are
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Feb 25, 2002, 9:48pm
You know... it's debates like these that makes me wonder what would happen
if one side actually won. You people are debating trivialities now, as it's
already been established seven or eight threads up that you're mad that AWC
did not inform you that they were compiling a search database for 3.3.
Nobody besides you two care, so please, let the thread die. :) Everyone's
entitled to their opinion, but trying to change someone else's isn't going
to change a thing.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"silenced" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message
news:3c7ab924$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> I never said you could, you implied this was the same thing as microsofts
> little deal.. and they could disable it. So I was being a wee bit
sarcastic
> in saying I'd like to be able to, but there's no option.. this implying
it's
> not the same thing.
>
the
> could
to
> of
> against
say
>
> Yes, it could be gotten any other way, but the fact they used the bot when
> bots weren't allowed is one thing, and they did it without our permission
is
> another, and they did it without telling anyone is yet another. They
didn't
> have to use a bot, I'm arguing on what I was told, which wasn't very
much..
> perhaps if the divulge more information I can make a more educated guess,
> but I'm still against a bot indexing worlds without owner consent. I
never
> said I was only debating the principle, but the principle is that it
> violated our privacy and we weren't given the option to not have our
worlds
> indexed if we so choosed.
>
this
> using
>
> There's no way to stop it without knowing the IP of the user that's using
> it. This is why they can be held responsible for their actions.
>
are
your
> that
information
> to
>
> Very very good, the information was indexed without my knowledge or anyone
> elses until we were told. That would mean if we didn't post this and
> MrGrimm didn't post it was his, that we would never have known. Other
> people do mind, duh. That's why everyone is fussing.. just because you
> don't care doesn't mean others don't. How does someone else's world being
> index violate my privacy? It's only a backdoor if someone else can use it
> to access things they shouldn't normally be allowed, but sending
information
> to the uniserver such as world size and user limit, is part of the
function
> of the world server. But even that information isn't sent to the
uniserver.
> The only thing sent to the uniserver is that the world is up, and if it's
> open to the public or not. As far as I know.. I've seen hacked
worldservers
> where they have unlimited users and size.. that would mean that
information
> is not sent to the uniserver.
>
"world
more
is
> of
>
> And your opinion is of no importance either. Neither is mine, why do you
> need to argue you're right and I'm wrong then? Clearly when you use
> something you shouldn't use to get information that's not yours, it's
> something that's illegal. Especially without owner's permission before
> hand. That's the key point.. the owners did not give permission, had they
> have posted this there would've been little or no problem. If you
honestly
> don't care, stop posting, because the rest of us do care that our privacy
> was violated in some way shape or form. If it's my privacy and not yours,
> you have no reason to say that I'm the wrong one. Or that AW has every
> right to violate my privacy. If you want them to violate yours, go ahead,
I
> don't care, I don't need you to tell me my privacy isn't important.
>
> -Silenced
>
>
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 9:55pm
Whether or not AWLD - Citizen #1 has all privelages in all worlds is not at
issue here. It is common knowledge that this account does have all privs in
all worlds and for very good reasons. Ananas is correct in his first
assessment that they perhaps should have notified the world owners before
they did this, as it represents a potential security breach that any
resourceful programmer with AWLD privelages could take advantage of. This
would have kept this thread to perhaps five or six entries long, instead of
five or six hundred.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
news:3c7a74b8$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> AWLD 1 has always been there and you know it. ALWAYS if you were not
aware of it then that's where the problem lies.
> AWLD 1 is needed and quite acceptable.....they can come to my world
anytime and inspect it. not a problem. if you have a problem
> with it then you need to find another playground they own this one...:)
>
> Leo :)
>
>
>
>
> "macb" <Z at X.Y> wrote in message news:3C795789.70102 at X.Y...
neccesary to
we
coping our
the
and
they
risk.
>
>
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Feb 26, 2002, 4:10am
It kind of begs the question, why do network administrators have access to
everything on the servers they manage, even private accounts? The same
principle is applied here, and perhaps for the same reasons.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"macb" <Z at X.Y> wrote in message news:3C7AEE9F.2090303 at X.Y...
> binarybud wrote:
>
not aware of it then that's where the problem lies.
anytime and inspect it. not a problem. if you have a problem
one...:)
>
>
> I only know about it by word of mouth. I have never seen a web page,
> help page, or any other hardcopy documentation on it. My first
> recollection of it was when its use screwed something up in a world I
> helped run. My second knowledge of it was an AW employee playing
> around where they had no business. My third knowledge of it was in
> these newsgroups where it had been used to screw with someone in another
> universe.
>
> Please give me some real examples of why it is "needed", I have yet to
> hear one example that was not relatively frivolous (like this index
thing).
>
> I have been involved in situations where people asked AWLD for help, in
> tracking down stolen objects, among other things. Always the answer
> from AWLD has been NO, we don't get involved in such things. Now THAT
> might have been a valid use for something like AWLD1 or whatever its
> called. But as far as my knowledge goes, it gets used to settle
> personal grudges that people with the password have against users who
> don't. In fact this index thing is the ONLY time I have heard of it
> being used for (in theory) some sort of community purpose. I await
> enlightenment.
>
> And please post the URL for the documentation.
>
> Funny how many people claim it is known and documented but not one can
> point to the document.
>
> As for finding another playground... I have. But I'm going to play in
> this one for a while longer too. Just for grins. What bothers people
> so much about this?
>
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Feb 23, 2002, 1:15am
You know what... as long as they let me do move, rotate, and terrain
generation in AlphaWorld, I'll pay $30 bucks.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"dion" <GovDion at subdimension.com> wrote in message
news:3c766be5$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> My brother told me that a gatekeeper told him it was going to cost $30 to
be
> updated to 3.3's features. That definately doesn't sound right, afterall,
> they're already raising the annual prices.
> "wizard myrddin" <wiz at rdescape.com> wrote in message
> news:3c764420$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
(3.3)
>
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 9:56pm
I believe that is AWC's impression as well. ;) But one key difference
between IE and Active Worlds is that full rights in Active Worlds costs
money.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"aine" <Aine at DeDanaan.com> wrote in message
news:3c795c1a at server1.Activeworlds.com...
Sell it on CD? *chuckles*
What's going to be on that CD, just the browser?
Anyone *bought* a copy of IE or Netscape lately?
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Aine
[View Quote]"pc hamster" <pchamster at email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c78a552 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Hi everyone:
>
> "dion" <GovDion at subdimension.com> wrote in message
> news:3c766be5$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
to
> be
afterall,
>
> I sure hope they offer *existing* citizens a discount on the product or
> there's gonna be a mass exodus like we've never seen before anywhere on
the
> Internet.
>
> Patrick
>
>
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Feb 23, 2002, 1:35am
.... I erased my last sentence because it's rather blunt. *puts diplomatic
face on* When it comes to privacy, people are very touchy. When it comes
to AWC, hell, let's try to put a few dents into it and bash the heck out of
it.
I could rant and rave about all these things for a whole day. In fact, my
mood often shifts between sticking up for AWC and sticking up for its
consumers because of some of the utterly ridiculous and stupid stuff people
from _both_ the company and the users have said. And it's mainly the users
of this program who cause most of this crap. We get offended at the tiniest
thing. The whole freaking situation is entirely and royally screwed up.
Good grief, I read some letter posted by Aine in a Yahoo discussion group.
While I understand her frustrations, some of the things she said about AWC
were simply and plainly false, whether she knew it or not.
Come on folks... are you willing to degenerate into some mob mentality?
The pricing plan isn't _that_ bad. 300 percent? If they kept the price
five bucks you'd be complaining. It's over, it's done with. They
compromised with you and went down half price. Half price! Get over it.
And sticking a bot into a world isn't bad at all, especially since MrGrimm's
bot didn't enter any private worlds. Notification of intentions? You've
been living in a politically correct society for far too long. There is
nothing worth notifying if there are no intentions to be had. How many of
you would get seriously mad at someone bringing a bot into your world if
they weren't an AWC staff member? What's your real problem, here? The fact
that MrGrimm belongs to AWC or privacy?
My God, what would the worlds be like if we had to ask permission to chat?
It's about as stupid an issue as people getting offended at chatting out of
turn. And yes... this really happened. Eep I believe was the offended
party. :)
I guess what I'm trying to say is, look at the facts and only the facts. Do
not extrapolate on them. Do not assume. Take the facts for what they are,
and nothing more or nothing less. But that won't happen any time soon. Why
am I even typing something that will fall on deaf eyes? Welcome to the real
world, Chris.
SW Chris
Feb 23, 2002, 5:39pm
Malka, it appears someone is posing as me, because I do not go by the name
DB Digital. :) In that newsgroup I am known as chrisw10 and I haven't
posted any messages to that group yet. I sent Aine a personal reply back
and I hope that she understands that I wasn't attacking her personally, only
using her letter as a reference to this madness. I agree wholeheartedly
with the intent of her letter, but several examples she used I did not agree
with.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"malka" <pagancities at pagancities.com> wrote in message
news:3c77ed60$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> FYI folks.. I found this quite interesting... Aine did email Chris.. in
> our discussion group.. asking what he felt was false in her original
letter
> and asking why he had answered in this NG rather than in our discussion
> group where her original letter was posted... This was SW Chris'
> reply......
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DB Digital" <db at dbdigitalweb.com>
> To: <AW_Discussion_Group at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AW_Discussion_Group] SW_Chris/from the heart
>
>
> I
same
> however
that
you
> than
> part
> I
software.
thinking
but
> via
> cause
and
> you
11,
> as
> someone
it
>
>
> IMHO.. Chris.. it would appear that there is a need for you to pick an
> opinion and stick to it.
>
>
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3c770e1f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> diplomatic
comes
> of
my
> people
> users
> tiniest
group.
> AWC
it.
> MrGrimm's
You've
of
> fact
chat?
> of
> Do
> are,
> Why
> real
> Yes.. Chris.. welcome to the real world... these ARE the facts... and
> only the facts, nothing more and nothing less: in these two posts you
flip
> flop more than a dying fish.
>
>
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Feb 23, 2002, 11:14pm
Honestly I don't think DBDigital meant anything malicious. Perhaps you've
misconstrued that I am DB Digital? Nothing to worry about though. Cases of
mistaken identity happen all the time.
My domain is skywalkeronline.net, not dbdigitalweb.com. To verify this, you
can do a whois search and my name will be under the contact information for
skywalkeronline.net, and not for dbdigitalweb.com.
Cheers!
SW Chris
[View Quote]"malka" <pagancities at pagancities.com> wrote in message
news:3c781829$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Why would someone do that? and with reference to the exact same issue?
If
> it were me.. and that were true.. I would be very interested to find out
> who... and put a stop to it.. cuz the contradictions there are pretty
> clear.. and discrediting...
>
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3c77effb at server1.Activeworlds.com...
name
back
> only
> agree
> in
discussion
> mail.
the
is
sometimes
> route
PEOPLE
> is
small
> is
> time.
is
> up
good
> around
ramifications
properly,
> customers,
chapter
> doing
an
> out
> fact,
its
the
> up.
> about
> mentality?
> price
over
There
> is
> many
world
> if
> The
> out
> offended
> facts.
they
> soon.
> the
> and
>
>
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Feb 23, 2002, 11:16pm
:D
SW Chris
[View Quote]"moff piett" <baronjutter at shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3c782db9 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Everything is terrible, awcom is evil, so and so is always complaining,
you
> can't tell me to shut up because freedom of speech. You don't understand
> freedom of speech because your not as mature as me. Yeah well I'm more
> mature than you because you said "your" instead of "you're" No, I'm more
> mature than you. You're spamming. No I'm not. I'm going to complain
about
> some super trivial harmless thing like it's a crime against humanity.
It's
> no crime, I hate you. I hate you more. Go to my website. You're website
is
> a copy of my website. I'm going to sue you. No you can't I'll sue you
> first. You don't know about the law because you're not as smart as me.
No
> way, I'm smarter than you. Yeah well my aw related service is the best.
No
> way, mine is better and I'm going to sue you for saying something I didn't
> like. No way you can't sue over that. Hey guys! We just had a
> conversation about sueing, you're a twit idiot for not remembering that.
> Yeah, well you suck.
>
> I say we just take down the NGs and any time anyone wants to visit they
just
> read the above a few times. I certainly couldn't tell the difference.
>
>
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Feb 24, 2002, 7:21pm
It certainly would be a shame to say that moff piett is defending anything
and everything AWCom has ever done. What he is doing is pointing out the
stupidity of some of the complaints that have been recently made.
As far as having a duty to complain, if AWLD filtered you, why are you
complaining here? Take it to e-mail. Otherwise, if they aren't filtering
you after all, go right ahead. But ONLY if your complaints are well thought
out and have a suggested solution attached to them.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"macb" <macb at yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3C78584D.10908 at yahoo.com...
>
>
> moff piett wrote:
>
you
understand
more
about
It's
website is
No
No
didn't
just
>
> If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
>
> This newsgroups is mild compared to many of the advocacy newsgroups on
> the net. But maybe for people who feel like you there should be a group
> called niceynicey or something.
>
> I spent the first 3 or so years of my AW existence promoting it and
> defending it against almost all criticisms just like you are doing now.
> I didn't even get a T-shirt for my trouble. Maybe they pay you better.
>
> In any event, I'll go back to defending them when I think they deserve
> it. Frankly I don't expect that to happen. But there is always that
> chance.
>
> Why don't you just filter those you don't like to hear from, then you
> can pretend that everything is OK in AWland. Won't bother me any if
> you do that.
>
> I think customers of any product have an unwritten "duty" to complain to
> the company when things are not to their liking. Usually when one of
> these issues comes up I speak my mind once, then respond to anyone who
> addresses my post directly. What makes the threads irritating to me are
> the people who's names appear dozens of time and who's posts often
> consist of quoting someone else's post entirely and then adding: "Well
> said" or "That's baloney", or "Its JUST a bot". Those are true
> bandwidth, and time wasters.
>
> If someone thinks that spy bot is the greatest thing since sliced bread,
> then tell the rest of us why. Then while your at it, tell the rest of
> us why it could not have been announced in advance. Also add a list of
> other things that YOU think it would be OK for AWLD to do with the
> backdoor citizen 1 privileges. And if you have time, tell us of
> anything you think should be off limits for that backdoor.
>
> That's really what this debate is about, and I have heard precious
> little justification from the other side other than trite remarks like
> "What's the big deal?"
>
> Your post above, while amusing, won't convince one of us to stop
> complaining, so you better come up with some real arguments if you hope
> to do that. Otherwise, use the filter. AWLD filtered us a long time
ago.
>
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Feb 24, 2002, 7:23pm
Congratulations, you have just described the 14-17 year old demographic from
40 years ago. And guess where they are now? Running the world! Yup, you
have indeed lived to see the day that you hate so much. Welcome!
SW Chris
[View Quote]"bodhitah" <bodhitah at earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3c788539 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> TrekkerX..the word is sense
>
> Seems to me the major problem on these newsgroups is with hormonal 14-17
> year old boys with the grammar and spelling skills of 4th graders.
> They may be somewhat computer literate, but socially inept and mostly
> incapable of an intelligent discussion of anything short of password
> stealing and world vandalism.
> They will expound on subjects of legal matters and business examples when
> most can't deal with making their allowances stretch from week to week,
> nevermind the fact that most live at home and benefit from the support of
> their parents. They will tell you how the real world works, just ask them.
> If this is the example of what will be running the world in 20 years, I'm
> glad I won't be around to see it.
>
>
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Feb 24, 2002, 7:31pm
Underestimation is a potent weapon, zeo toxion. :) If bodhitah wishes to
underestimate you, then so be it. All the more advantage for you in a
battle of wits.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"zeo toxion" <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3c792443 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I wasn't exactly saying it was just the adults. I know it's everyone but I
> was just trying to prove a point that bodhitah thinks its just some little
> kids who are causing all the trouble all the time and it's not, its just
as
> much adults.
>
> "nornny11" <Nornny1 at attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:3c791cde$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> that
for
Well,
> they
your
> for
horse.
grow
> the
survived,
little
> 12
their
that
> say,
> and
> MY
> corrupt
> right
> no
knowledge
> or
> how
> for
> person
an
> newsgroups
> that
> the
that
do
where
out
most
but
> expect
> exact
> kid.
>
>
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Feb 28, 2002, 6:15am
Yeah... well... my grandma can beat up your shoe!
SW Chris
"We Could be Heroes"
[View Quote]"j b e l l" <jbell1983 at home.com> wrote in message
news:3c7dd41e$2 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ..gee, perhaps, if i recal..
>
> *yawn*
>
> my dog can beat up your dog!
>
>
> "butterfly jess" <wing at systemrecall.com> wrote in message
> news:3c7c21b3 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> remember
> other
immature
mistake?
mom"
> think
nor
any
> at
> because
> the
who
>
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 10:01pm
I happen to LIKE star wars rip offs. =P
SW Chris
[View Quote]"moff piett" <baronjutter at shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3c79610e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Finally I changed my name from Moff Piett to Baro. Everything put in
motion
> is now reaching the point of our ideal future*.
>
>
> *A future where my nick for the last 5 years isn't a subtle starwars rip
> off.
>
>
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Mar 1, 2002, 6:21pm
it sounds italian to me.
*grin*
SW Chris
[View Quote]"foxmccloud" <FoxMcCloud at cyberbrain.com> wrote in message
news:3c7ef6a1$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> duh, that's not french... lol
>
> French Mc Cloud
>
> "swe" <m_swehli at hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
3c7ed9b2 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
rip
>
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 10:02pm
Perhaps the person who entered was just wearing a tourist avatar? If they
have greyed out text they're tourists, dark text is citizens.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"steller" <Steller at steller3d.com> wrote in message
news:3c7a9ffc$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> What are the possibilities of this? I opened Quantum today. I had some
> visitors. One visitor was a tourist. My world isn't set up to have
tourists
> as visitors. Has this happened anywhere else?
>
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 10:04pm
Why do I get booted when I try to switch to tourist in aw world then?
SW Chris
[View Quote]"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> wrote in message news:3C7A9D97.21AA2289 at oct31.de...
> The tourist feature of a world is checked at the entrance.
> As soon as you are connected to a world, you can switch to
> tourist mode and stay there as a tourist. But as soon as
> you leave and try to enter again, it will tell you that no
> tourists are allowed.
>
> steller wrote:
tourists
>
> --
> "_
> |
> /\
> \ /
> __/ /_
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Feb 25, 2002, 11:11pm
Oh please, can the sarcasm canuck.
It happens all the time that people mistake citizens in tourist avatars for
tourists. The only way to tell is through the text they type.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"crazy canuck" <ps-aw at cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:3c7ad5c7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Your gotta be joking !!!
> Tourist have grey out text?
>
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3c7ad0a3$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
they
>
>
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