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Instead of adding all that overhead try putting concepts code into the
change event in Text1 and you shouldn't need a timer at all PC [View Quote] Immmmmmmmmmm Back!Jul 23, 2000, 3:05am
Re: Time for poll!Jul 23, 2000, 3:15am
Better documentation regarding running a world server under Linux or FreeBSD
using Linux emulation. And specifically a FULL listing of all the commands available to use in world.ini . Also anything (like tech notes) that would make developing a cvs system easier for both updates and backup. PC Jul 25, 2000, 10:18pm
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFF673.78401200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable which os? [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFF673.78401200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type = content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>which os?</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"twisted horizon" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:joshua_trask at capecod.com">joshua_trask at capecod.com</A>>= wrote=20 in message <A=20 = href=3D"news:397e0d90$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:397e0d90$1 at server1= ..Activeworlds.com</A>...</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>K, if I get a no clue from one = more person=20 I'll crack.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Just HOW do you send an e-mail = from a console=20 app?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 = size=3D2>-TH</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFF673.78401200-- Jul 26, 2000, 12:38pm
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFF6EB.B24CFA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No wonder info is scarce. You need to install a program that operates on = the DOS platform and call it with a batch file or with another DOS = program (or from the command line)=20 Its been a long time since I worked with DOS and the last language I = used was Q-Basic. There is a way to write DOS runnable programs with = Visual Basic but I never got into that end of it yet. Here are a few = links that might help. http://home.concepts.nl/~fiber/dose.htm http://webopedia.internet.com/TERM/e/e_mail.html http://www.allrealgood.ie/general_links.shtml http://members.kingston.net/lewis/email.htm if you are actually programming in VB then you aren't in a true DOS = environment anyway. You could open a default e-mail client using the = ShellExecute function in shell32.dll in the windows api and passing the = desired address as an argument. in declarations in a module paste: Private Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _ "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _ ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal _ lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long then write a function to call it: Public Sub OnEMail(address As String, subject As String, ok As String) 'in with an e-mail address in the stuff string 'opens the default e-mail client and xxx if its format is valid 'Copyright Blackrose Computer Systems 'http://www.blackrosesoftware.com Dim tempvara As String If InStr(address, " at ") <> 0 Then tempvara =3D "mailto:" & address & "?subject=3D" & subject ShellExecute 0, vbNullString, tempvara, vbNullString, vbNullString, = 1 ok =3D "OK" Else ok =3D "INVALID E-MAIL ADDRESS" End If End Sub you could write an ole routine to send something invisibly to the user = depending on which is the default client and whether ole is supported in = it.=20 Good Luck! PC [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFF6EB.B24CFA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type = content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No wonder info is scarce. You need to = install a=20 program that operates on the DOS platform and call it with a batch file = or with=20 another DOS program (or from the command line) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Its been a long time since I worked = with DOS and=20 the last language I used was Q-Basic. There is a way to write DOS = runnable=20 programs with Visual Basic but I never got into that end of it yet. Here = are a=20 few links that might help.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://home.concepts.nl/~fiber/dose.htm">http://home.concepts.nl/= ~fiber/dose.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://webopedia.internet.com/TERM/e/e_mail.html">http://webopedi= a.internet.com/TERM/e/e_mail.html</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://www.allrealgood.ie/general_links.shtml">http://www.allreal= good.ie/general_links.shtml</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://members.kingston.net/lewis/email.htm">http://members.kings= ton.net/lewis/email.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if you are actually programming in VB = then you=20 aren't in a true DOS environment anyway. You could open a default e-mail = client=20 using the ShellExecute function in shell32.dll in the windows api and = passing=20 the desired address as an argument.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in declarations in a module = paste:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Private Declare Function ShellExecute = Lib=20 "shell32.dll" Alias _<BR>"ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal = lpOperation=20 As String, _<BR>ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, = ByVal=20 _<BR>lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>then write a function to call = it:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Public Sub OnEMail(address As String, = subject As=20 String, ok As String)<BR>'in with an e-mail address in the stuff=20 string<BR>'opens the default e-mail client and xxx if its format is=20 valid<BR>'Copyright Blackrose Computer=20 Systems<BR>'http://www.blackrosesoftware.com<BR>Dim tempvara As=20 String</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If InStr(address, " at ") <> 0=20 Then<BR> tempvara =3D "mailto:" & address & = "?subject=3D"=20 & subject<BR> ShellExecute 0, vbNullString, = tempvara,=20 vbNullString, vbNullString, 1<BR> ok =3D=20 "OK"<BR>Else<BR> ok =3D "INVALID E-MAIL = ADDRESS"<BR>End=20 If</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>End Sub</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you could write an ole routine to send = something=20 invisibly to the user depending on which is the default client and = whether ole=20 is supported in it. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good Luck!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PC</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"twisted horizon" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:joshua_trask at capecod.com">joshua_trask at capecod.com</A>>= wrote=20 in message <A=20 = href=3D"news:397edf63 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:397edf63 at server1.Act= iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>DOS</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = solid"> [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFF6EB.B24CFA80-- Re: Voice and sound messages :)Jan 21, 2000, 5:04pm
Go to http://www.hearme.com , set up a voice html page and you can run an
instance of Netscape or Explorer in the background. To talk you then just press F9...tested and works well while in AW. PC [View Quote] Re: Voice and sound messages :)Feb 5, 2000, 3:28am
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BF6F6F.0F9C0780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That works great too if everyone is near the object that calls up the = page but if you run the html page as a seperate instance in the = background you dont lose touch even if you go to different worlds or = even out of aw... [View Quote] Holistic1=20 [View Quote] Go to http://www.hearme.com , set up a voice html page and you can = run an=20 instance of Netscape or Explorer in the background. To talk you = then just=20 press F9...tested and works well while in AW.=20 PC=20 [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BF6F6F.0F9C0780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 = transitional//en"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3401" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That works great too if everyone is = near the object=20 that calls up the page but if you run the html page as a seperate = instance in=20 the background you dont lose touch even if you go to different worlds or = even=20 out of aw...</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>horizons <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:horizonsx at hrfn.net">horizonsx at hrfn.net</A>> wrote in = message=20 <A=20 = href=3D"news:3889d120 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3889d120 at server1.Act= iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Don't even bother with the instance in the back = just use the=20 integrated browser in aw that is on the hearme page thing. Me and my = pals use=20 it when we want to talk real time</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Horizons</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Never ever stick a pin in your finger and say=20 cool"</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>288611</FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> [View Quote] = href=3D"mailto:3888BB8F.C3594D23 at mail.cisc.k12.pa.us">3888BB8F.C3594D23 at m= ail.cisc.k12.pa.us</A>>...</DIV>Paltalk=20 (freeware) also works well in AW. Even in hands free. = The only=20 problem would be that it is only one to one...although they say that = they=20 are working on a multi call version.=20 <P>www.paltalk.com=20 <P>Holistic1=20 [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BF6F6F.0F9C0780-- Contacts and transports wiped at setupJul 25, 2000, 2:54am
there should be an option when setting up over a previous installation of
the client to choose not to have your contact list deleted and your transport list as well. PC Contacts and transports wiped at setupJul 25, 2000, 12:00pm
I know that but I forgot to do it this last time and lost a lot of great
sites. Optimumly there would be a zero learning curve for the client and this is just one small thing. [View Quote] Re: Contact List LimitAug 3, 2000, 5:11pm
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------=_NextPart_000_012C_01BFFD5B.191F5BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No only on signon. After the signon both clients would be aware of each = other and any change could be sent via a datagram relayed to the other = client via aw. This way all that would be required would be a "ping" = every 120 seconds or so. AW wouldn't even have to use the same server to = deliver the datagrams. In any event, AW will have to remove this contact = limit somehow if they want to grow as a company. All the major = communicators (ICQ,AIM etc) don't have these limits despite incredible = traffic. ICQ uses a less centralized system but AW could do this if = Yahoo did it. I would suspect they could easily handle all aw's contact = info on a 486 FreeBSD box with even a cable connection. I'm sure they = have T-3 at least. To get back to the hypothetical 600 connected clients with 100 contacts = each, correct me if I am wrong but isn't the full list pushed from the = aw server every 60 seconds or so now? that would be in this case 60,000 lookups causing an update of all 600 = clients every 60 seconds. A rewriting of the list I believe. This is a = costly solution as in 99% of the push updates the list being updated is = unchanged. If all that was needed was a pass through ping = client>server>client>server>client then any disc usage (lookups) would = be kept to a minimum as they wouldn't be needed in most cases. Without = so many disc lookups the system overhead would be drastically reduced = and a contact limit could be set to a ridiculously high 5-10 thousand = and that just to fend off hacker overload attempts. The overhead would = be reduced on the client side as well. The solution you have in Bone seems interesting but seems to me that the = server overhead would be immense in that it is looking up several lists = (and authentication too I'm sure) before pushing an update to several = clients. (please correct me if this is inaccurate) I think a lot of this redundancy is not needed.=20 PC [View Quote] I don't see "only a fitgh of the computing overhead" here, while the = contact list would be much less accurate.=20 AFAIK contacts should be using a "push" method, and the 100 slots = maintained on the server do just that. I agree that it is quite a load if the server has to browse through = all the 100 slots on all conntected contacts, and i would not be = surprized if there was some optimizaiton in place. In bone i have a similar approach to contacts, and my optimization is = to not only keep the clients contacts on the server using the "slots = technique" (which is a list in the bone case), but also maintain a = reverse-lookup list on each session saying who is interested in contact = updates originating from that session.. the former is more for contact = list maintainance and the latter for the actual determination of where = to send contact updates. This puts more load on the processing of the = contact list that a client send, however.=20 AFAIR bone does not have a contacts limit :) Faber "pc" <pcat at blackrosesoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag = news:3988781e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... I don't understand the logic in keeping a full list of a clients = contacts on the server at all. Why couldn't the server just maintain 5 data fields per citizen, those being citizen name, a = field indicating online or offline or disabled, a "handshake flag" and 2 = others for future use. A client on signon could update field 2 IF = that client wasn't marked invisible. The handshake flag could=20 contain a field that would be a default zero lets say and if a = citizen had anyone blocked that would change to a 1 to indicate that an online request should poll his client for an "ignore list" so to = speak. when client 2 signed on it would poll the aw server for the status of the contacts on his list. the AW server would react based = on field 3 and either return the status or look up the ignore list on the client requested. In this way AW could still middleman = the transaction without the ridiculous overhead of searching through 100 or more lists per client. This is a simplistic solution = that could be refined by adding different options to the third value in the server side array. Another side effect would be an increased privacy to the client as = their own contact lists wouldn't have to be stored on aw central. You = could have unlimited contacts at a fifth of the computing overhead. PC [View Quote] The contacts are stored in the server, that means, the server = maintains a field of 100 contact "slots" for each aw citizen currently = connected. Then whenever another citizen connects or disconnects, the = server has to browse all those contact arrays and check if anyone is = interested in the presence or absence of the citizen that just = (dis-)connected. If so, the notice about the presence state change is = properly sent. Now, if 600 People are connected, and each have 100 people on = their contacts, the server would have 60000 citizen number comparisons = to make just because of a single connect. This is the current state, = which means the server can cope with it, but imagine the contact list = would have 200 (which i belive is still a limit people would complain = about) or even more slots.=20 So there has to be a limit to the size of the contact list. The other approach, maintaining the contacts on the client side, = would cause every connect to be broadcasted to the clients, and then = discarded by most :). And this method would also break any hopes of = being able to to opt-out of another guys contact list, since the weak = security model here would invite people to "spy" on contact updates and = break the rules.=20 Faber "pc" <pcat at blackrosesoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag = news:39884f52$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... The bandwidth overhead of an unlimited contact list to aw should = be minimal. Think about it...there are sites out there getting http hits = at the rate of over 500 hits per second and handling it. Its beyond me = how anyone can have more that 100 contacts on their list but it should = be allowed for those who would. PC [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01BFFD5B.191F5BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No only on signon. After the signon = both clients=20 would be aware of each other and any change could be sent via a datagram = relayed=20 to the other client via aw. This way all that would be required would be = a=20 "ping" every 120 seconds or so. AW wouldn't even have to use the same = server to=20 deliver the datagrams. In any event, AW will have to remove this contact = limit=20 somehow if they want to grow as a company. All the major = communicators=20 (ICQ,AIM etc) don't have these limits despite incredible traffic. ICQ = uses a=20 less centralized system but AW could do this if Yahoo did it. I would = suspect=20 they could easily handle all aw's contact info on a 486 FreeBSD box with = even a=20 cable connection. I'm sure they have T-3 at least.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To get back to the hypothetical 600 = connected=20 clients with 100 contacts each, correct me if I am wrong but isn't the = full list=20 pushed from the aw server every 60 seconds or so now?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that would be in this case 60,000 = lookups causing=20 an update of all 600 clients every 60 seconds. A rewriting of the list I = believe. This is a costly solution as in 99% of the push updates the = list being=20 updated is unchanged. If all that was needed was a pass through ping=20 client>server>client>server>client then any disc usage = (lookups)=20 would be kept to a minimum as they wouldn't be needed in most cases. = Without so=20 many disc lookups the system overhead would be drastically reduced and a = contact=20 limit could be set to a ridiculously high 5-10 thousand and that just to = fend=20 off hacker overload attempts. The overhead would be reduced on the = client side=20 as well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The solution you have in Bone seems = interesting but=20 seems to me that the server overhead would be immense in that it is = looking up=20 several lists (and authentication too I'm sure) before pushing an update = to=20 several clients. (please correct me if this is inaccurate)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think a lot of this redundancy is not = needed.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PC</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"faber" <<A = href=3D"mailto:Walter at Knupe.de">Walter at Knupe.de</A>>=20 [View Quote] compressed of course, and your contacts will filter it out, I = have=20 attached an example file the AW server would send you, the = numbers I=20 wrote at complete random, so if you see your number here, I = didn't do=20 it on purpose=20 = :)</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOC= KQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01BFFD5B.191F5BC0-- can't post in worldbuildersJan 21, 2000, 9:00pm
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