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Aug 18, 2003, 1:11am

Uh, there's not going to be any "bump detection" to objects, unless a bot
downloads the objects, and calculates the boundaries. As for "bump
detection" in the browser, I think its been there since 2.2, perhaps before?

-Joe

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Aug 19, 2003, 4:45pm

Let me guess, those were in AWCom worlds? Grimm programs some crazy bots...
eh?

-Joe

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Aug 19, 2003, 7:04pm

What about larger objects in worlds without shift? :P

-Joe

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Aug 22, 2003, 5:05pm

Yes, "AW" "could" send "an" Aw_avatar_object_collide, but the shear amount
of bandwidth that would take up, and the overwhelming amount of events
triggered on the bot would probably crash even the most well designed bot.
Because, AW calculates, as do any other 3d engine, the collision every X
<insert time expression here>, so an aw_avatar_object_collide would be sent
every X... Anyway, it shouldn't be the clients responsibility to manage
collision detection for the bot, the bot should take care of all that.

-Joe

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Aug 24, 2003, 7:59pm

Eh, they're adding an custom sdk_event trigger to the browser in 3.5, but,
not applied to objects. I'm still saying, the browser doesn't really have a
throttle, heck, the more collision detections it can calculate, the smoother
the movement against an object. I guess you could whip up some code like...

if(object.collided && !object.trigcolision){
//send collision event
aw_send_collision(object.id);
object.trigcolision = true;
} else if(!object.collided && object.trigcolision){
//We must unset!!! :P
object.trigcolision = false;
}

update_rendering_collision();

Or something to that effect. But, that's only supposing objects are C++
classes and whatnot... I guess object could also be a struct... That whole
thing would be needed to be executed whenever there's a collision detected.
ehfasdjfasdl;fk Im tired.

-Joe

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Aug 19, 2003, 11:39pm

What would getting a new PC do? Its not like a faster processor or more ram
will prevent Brants bot from nuking his system.

-Joe

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Aug 22, 2003, 5:06pm

Pssh, who uses VS 6 any more? ;D

-Joe

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Aug 20, 2003, 4:01pm

The same database you kept to log who's age is what. :D

-Joe

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Aug 20, 2003, 5:37pm

Uh, there's citnums.... checking the past deviations of IPs, etc. I'm sure
they don't need ultra-paranoid-super-encryption-for-Fortran or anything,
they just need a bot to check ages. Also, ASP is a bad idea, as it only
runs on Windows. Try PHP, which runs on a lot of OSs. :D

-Joe

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Aug 20, 2003, 7:42pm

You'd be surprised.

-Joe

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Aug 21, 2003, 2:58pm

Microsoft really isn't as bad as its made out to be, sure, there are a few
young kids saying: "OH ME GAWD! MICROSOFT IS TAKEING OVEN TEH WORLD!!! RUN 4
UR LIVEZ!" or "Microsoft is a BIG EVIL CORPORATION THAT BURNS BABIES!" or
perhaps "ALL MiEKROZOFT programs ARE BAD! at ! THEY CRASH ALL THE TIME AND MAKE
MY COMPUTER EXPLODE! at !", having not even used the product they're talking
about ... The rest of us, understand that Microsoft is here to stay, their
products aren't really half bad (bar anything below windows 2000), and that
we're just going to have to live with them and make the best of it.

-Joe

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Aug 22, 2003, 5:59pm

KAH, when you become of age when you join the workforce, you'll see what I
mean. Where I work (a very popular university), the only non-windows
machines on campus, are the Sun mail servers, various sun boxes in labs, a
few Linux machines in labs, and the AIX mainframes. The rest, is windows as
far as the eye can see. Walk into many major businesses, and you'll find
that they're using all windows. Just because you're a Linux bible-thumper,
doesn't mean the rest of the world runs on your agenda.

Here's one usage statistics site:
http://www.epistemelinks.com/Info/OpSys.aspx
Lets look at the most current, 2003...
Windows got a whopping 84.56% of the hits....
Linux and its variants got a mere 11.45%...

Wow... Ok, on to the next site...

Here's another one: http://lumumba.luc.ac.be/kris/stats/usage_200301.html
Windows got 2,732 hits
Linux got 548 hits.

....

And another: http://geneura.ugr.es/webalizer/usage_200203.html
Windows: 8655 hits
Linux: 601 hits

I am well aware that Linux and its variants, are used on many servers world
wide; I'm even running on right behind me performing various caching and
logging functions. I am also aware that Novell is used many places, along
with Sun OS, Cisco IOS, and other embedded OS's in switches, telecom
equipment, etc. But, the greatest number of workstations are windows, which
in terns require windows servers to drive them. The Linux replacements for
such services (such as SMB), are horrible.

Now, you're probably still in the "omg I installed Linux, I r sooo l33t, it
can d0 everthing!!!! I heart Linux j00!" phase... But, once you get a job in
the IT field, or hell, even McDonalds... You'll begin to realize that Linux
isn't all that great for enterprise applications. I hope I'm not being
"nasty", as .duo. would put it, but its the raw uncut truth. I'm not trying
to be mature about anything.

Microsoft can grasp your "decent coding practices". Most of their code is
flawless. Their OSs have a few problems, which really aren't that big of
problems if you know what you're doing. Such as, threads being totally
messed up and memory handling. If their products were truly pure and utter
crap, as you Linux-thumpers like to say, then why do soooooooo many people
use them? As for bugfixes, and security, hotfixes and patches come out
every other day practically to fix most of the problems that are found.

Have you ever looked at a Linux exploit, how about an AIX one... what about
a Sun OS one? Every operating system is going to have exploits targeted at
it. Sure, there were programming mistakes made, but there were for _every_
operating system out there, well, except JoeOS. :P I have to understand
how most of these exploits work in order to find vulnerable/infected
machines at my job. The only reason there's so many exploits for windows,
is because its the biggest OS, the most "hackers" are going after exploiting
its inner-workings. If Linux were to suddenly be the most popular OS for
desktop machines, "hackers" would go after it! But, if you've also done
your research, which I knowwwwwww such an informed person such as yourself
has done, you'll not that there are just as many, if not more exploits for
*nix then windows created every day!

I don't know why I wasted three and a half minutes, but, I hope a little
"education" of sorts, will straighten you up.

-Joe


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Aug 23, 2003, 5:58pm

Uh, we haven't had a single successful hack attempt in eight years. The
last one, someone "owned" a private machine that was served on the platform,
so it really wasn't our problem. I'm sure if you go to any major
business/university/corporation/etc, you'll find that they run on windows.
Heck, the only machines that were taken over by Trojans were Linux machines
that got hit with the RaMeN worm going around a few years back. I was
wrong, you aren't running Linux, you're running windows. So, wouldn't that
make you a hypocrite? I mean, according to you, windows is the devil. So,
shouldn't you buy a Macintosh or install Linux on your machine, or are you
like many, a masochist?

Also what are these "crackers" going to do to some windows boxes? I didn't
know that flooding a box with serial numbers was a very effective way of
taking them down. Really, the only vulnerabilities come from the 3rd party
software running on the machine. Oracle was probably the most defective of
them all. On a normal scan I'd pick up 200 machines with oracle problems,
and one with a small security hole that wasn't patched. But, all the
machines that weren't patched, were nonproduction, thus not placed on the
internet loop.

You can just say that the university I work at is some fluke in the system,
and everywhere else uses Linux and UNIX, and Sun, and all those operating
systems. But, that that's just not the case. I really hope for your sake
you wise up and realize that the world isn't going to change for you.
Things are how they are, and are going to stay that way for a -long- time.
There's not going to be some freakish Linux Coup overnight or anything.

Maybe you can get a job at Bobs Discount Linux Emporium when your older...

-Joe

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Aug 24, 2003, 8:00pm

Uh, so, every client uses Linux? Wow, the learning curve for new students
must be insane! :)

-Joe

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Aug 25, 2003, 1:10am

So, you guys do use windows.... ....

-Joe

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Aug 25, 2003, 6:12pm

Wow, you have a lot of learning to do kid.

[View Quote] Ok, sucessful and attempted are two different things. We get 200+ attempts
every day, none get through because our routers sink the connection. And,
what I see in the logs every day vary from the normal crackhead such as
yourself, to people who really know what they're doing.

> So you're saying someone did get hacked on your network, and you just
> blame it on whoever's responsible for that machine. Nice excuse. Yes, I
> know that most major business/institutions run on mostly Win32, as I
> already said. You're still missing the point obviously.

Ok, you see, thats like saying, a machine got hacked on the internet, so the
whole internet is to blame. We just provde the machine(s) with a private T1
trunk, they do whatever they want with it. Its not our problem, and it
doesnt really effect us if they get hacked.

> Maybe you just don't know enough about *NIX to administer them correctly
> then? Anyway, I never said *NIX was inpenetrable, on the contrary.

Uh, the only machine I really administrate is a linux machine that I use to
scan parts of the network. Its been attacked a lot, ranging from attempted
exploits to DoS attacks, nothing even comes near it really. I do believe I
know enough about *nix and its variants... Theres no much to learn.

> Unfortunately for me, I'm dependent on some Win32 applications. I will
> get some linux boxes up shortly, though. I also work some in the CYGWIN
> UNIX emulator. Apple is worse than MS in principle, although in practice
> they're not because all the home users go for MS. If Apple had the
> monopoly, things would be even grimmer.

Well, thats just too bad that you "depend" on some windows 32 applications.
Perhaps you're just not read to let go of VB and step into the wide world of
computing. Maybe one day... Also, having multipul linux machines up when
you're not clustering or using them for load balancing, is just wasteful.
CYGWIN is a joke. If apple was "worse" then MS, why arent they at the top
of the market? I mean, if MS is the bottom of the barrel bad, then being
worse must mean you have a larger share of the market.... Also, apple cant
get a monopoly by chaning OSs and making their computers look like candy.
Most people, you exculded, dont go for that kind of thing.

> Serial numbers? What are you talking about? Anyway, there are quite a few
> backdoors in Windows core components (the Blaster worm just showed off
> one) they can use.

Ok, crackers crack applications are serial numbers to bypass registration,
break encryption, and the like. _Hackers_ on the other hand, break into
systems and whatnot. Jesus KAH, I thought you'd have been on the net long
enough to know this by now.


> And you're supposed to be an admin? Wow, I pitty your users. I bet you
> never went to that "popular" university of your's to learn things
> properly before joining the workforce, as you put it.

I never said I was an admin, I only scan for problems in the network. :)
The only contact with admins is to resolve problems with the network and
servers connected to it under our control.

>
> There are a lot of vulnerabilities in 3rd party software, yes. But
> they're by far not the only ones, and often not the most serious. A lot
> of the worst things are in MS software that come with Windows, which
> isn't really 3rd party software.

Uh, more holes for 3rd party software are found each day then for windows.
I doubt that they were less serious then any windows problems. When was the
last time that windows gave a list of username and passwords through any
HTML browser? When did windows cause the machine to lock up when you sent
it malformed message? When did windows randomly crash because it couldnt
find it licensing server? etc, etc, etc.

> Again, I know Win32 is the most popular, and again, THAT IS *NOT* THE
> POINT! Quantity versus quality, Joe. Ever heard of that? No, apparently
> not. I know there won't be a "Linux Coup" overnight. These things
> progress slowly, but surely. Just wait, you'll see.

Win32 is the most popular, thus the most used. Live with it. Quantity
versus quality, well, kinda rings a bell... Economics class sucked, so, I
didnt pay attention. Now, there were some shit products, such as windows
1.0, 95, 98, 98 se, ME... But, if you didnt like them, dont use them and
keep your mouth shut. Its not like Microsoft is forcing you to use windows
at gunpoint... Also, theres no going to be a "Linux Coup", overnight or not.
Linux isnt going to be on everyones desktop in a few years. Lindows was a
joke, and all the other linux distrobutions are too hard for the average
computer user it install... So, you might want to do some reasearch before
you get your "army of linux boxes" up and running. ;)

> Maybe you can get a job at Microsoft when you're older. Perhaps as 2nd
> class suck-up?

Why would I want a job there? I had a few friends who worked there that
just got worked to the bone for low pay. I really dont think its worth it.
:) I'll take my sucking-up elsewhere where I'll get paid more.

>
> KAH

-Joe
Tralalala...

Aug 28, 2003, 11:50pm

[View Quote] > You have a lot of learning and eye-opening to do yourself...

My eyes are open. At least I'm not the one saying a linux revolution is
coming, albiet slowly...


> I'm affraid I don't try attacking networks or computer systems. Accusing
> me of such behaviour is slander.
> In other words, you've got good hardware firewalls/security systems.
> Guess it's the only thing that helps when trying to secure a win32
> platform. Still proves absolutely nothing about Windows security.

Do they not teach english very well up there in norway? I said, like... Not
you specifically, just, your "kind". Also, have fun launching a slander
case from norway to the US, I'm sure your lawyer would have a field-day with
the bill. Also, the firewalls are all software, this software then tells
the routers at both the node branch and the ones right outside of our trunk
to sink the host. I guess some crude software implimentation could be added
if necessary... But, all major companies use hardware systems to protect
their servers.

> Well, if that was a Windows box, it does illustrate my point, does it
> not?

Just because a few people dont know how to secure their systems, doesnt mean
the rest of the internet is to blame. Same goes for linux. What about
allll of those linux boxes that get owned because people dont know how to
secure them?

> By "you" I meant "all the admin personnel". You illustrate my point:
> "nothing even comes near it". My point exactly.

Wow, I didnt know that I was the entire administrative personnel. Thats
like, 100 people... I must be magic then. Again, do they not teach you
english in norway or something?

> I program exclusively in portable C and PHP these days. Check your facts.

Wow, normal people call this "portable C", ANSI C. PHP along with its other
scripting counterparts, are no better then VB. Just because they might
handle a little like C/C++, doesnt mean they even come close.

> I'm not loaded with money, I'm talking older boxes here. In which case it
> isn't wastefull, as each one of them isn't going to be all that
> performant.

It takes one 133MHz box to run everything. I've -found- computers that I
can run linux on. You can even run linux on embedded machines, which are
like, 33MHz each, with 128KB of onboard memory. Its not like you need 7GHz
with 8GB of DDR to run linux. Thats one of the reasons why its so popular,
it'll run on -anything-.

> In that case, it's a bloody good joke. CYGWIN gives me access to some
> really nice UNIX applications that aren't/are badly ported to Win32.

Wait, but, it runs on win32. I thought win32 was the "devil", and all that.
So really, besides from "I luvvv the applications!! I will never leave!!!",
whats the reason for staying?! Even so, using CYGWIN to port applications
is just bad, stop delaying and set up a damned linux machine, get off
windows, and leave us alone forever.

> I'm talking in principle. Right now they're harmless, since everyone but
> 6 persons worldwide hate Macs. If, for some reason, they would've gotten
> MS's current position, things would be a lot worse. Windows is a
> proprietary software solution. Macintosh is a proprietary software and
> hardware solution.
> I don't know what the word "chaning" means, you'll have to explain that
> to me. And no, I don't fall for strange case designs.

Six persons, then, why are they everywhere? Do the people in sub-sarahan
africa that havent even seen a computer, let alone a school, hate macs?
Lets see, macs being proprietary... Uh, all my IDE devices work in them...
Along with my AGP and PCI devices... Even my ram works in them... So, how
are they that pripriotary?! Just because they have a different processor?
If you want proprietary, look at Sun systems, Compaq proliant systems, DEC
Alphas...

> You obviously don't know the correct definition of "cracker". I believe
> Bowen gave it to you last night.

I know two definitions of "cracker", 1. White folk'. 2. People who break
applications. Im still waiting for bowen to grace me with this definition.

> If you scan for problems in the network, that's good enough for me;
> you're an admin (a junior one, but still an admin)

.... No, sorry. If I was a junior admin, I wouldnt have administrative
rights to 90% of the machines. But, I still dont "admin" them, I dont
change settings, I dont rack them, I dont add/remove users, I dont
install/upgrade hardware, I dont recover them, etc, etc, etc. So, no, I am
not an administrator. If anything, Im a "white-hat hacker", or whatever you
want to call it, because I just spend my day trying to break machines, not
fix or "administrate" things. The only things I "administrate", are three
servers at home.

> Well, of course. That's pure logic: there is much more 3rd party
> software.

Ah, you just proved my point. There are more copies of windows installed on
personal machines then any other operating system. There are
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more personal machines then servers. So,
hackers/crackers go after the *largest userbase*. I thought before you
couldnt understand that logic, but now, you're applying it... Strange, isnt
it?:

> Depends. But a lot of the time, they are less serious. Fact.

Perhaps thats because they dont run the computer. You really need to start
thinking in preportion.

> Usually doesn't lock up, just executes some arbitrary code, or some other
> insane behaviour.

Uh, usually inorder to execute this "arbitrary code", you need to seeze the
process(es) you're wanting to take over. This involves crashing them,
taking over their memory space, and running your code there.

> Windows doesn't have a licensing server. So how would it randomly crash
> because it couldn't find one? Think, Joe, think!

Yes, it does. Do a little reasarch into corperate versions of windows. 2k3
requires a license server for multipul services running on it.

> Are you blind? Stupid? Something like that? I've acknownledged Win32's
> popularity (which MEANS it's the most used, but you wouldn't know that
> with your low education) in *every* one of my posts on this subject. I do
> live with it (I wasn't dead last time I checked). But I don't plan to do
> so in future, because Win32 is a pile of *crap*. That it's most popular
> doesn't make it *better*.

There are multipul points to address here. I'll list them for you, make it
nice and easy to read.
1. Yes, infact I am blind. Thank you for pointing that out to everyone. I
have to live with it in my everyday life.
2. No, I am infact, not stupid. *
3. Yes, you've acknownledged that win32 platforms are the most popular, but
you refuse to live with them.
4. My low education... Uh *
5. Just because you might not have mastered the whole point-and-click thing,
doesnt mean windows is crap.
6. Uh, if its absolute crap, why do so many people use it? Is this a planet
of masochists?!

* At least I know english.

> You forgot some (actually, nearly everything named "Microsoft *").

Wow, that was real hilarious... Did you learn that joke when hanging out in
the computer lab after school?

> Why should I keep my mouth shut? I can show people there is an
> ALTERNATIVE to win32 (it's a fact that many, if not most, home users have
> no idea there is, besides Mac perhaps)!

Uh, if you dont know about any alternatives, then, hell, I doubt you would
be able to install them. Its not like telling someone "OMG LINUIX EXISTS!!!
ITS GOT A DAUNTING INSTALL AND USAGE, BUT IT RAWZXZZZZASZZZZZDEASEFASDFASDF
COMPARED TO WINDOWS!!!!!"... No, they're not going to leave windows. Why?
All of their applications are windows based, they know windows, and everyone
they know uses windows.

> You don't know that ;-D But no, I explained it already, I depend on
> certain applications.

Then, shouldnt these applications be horriable because they run on windows?
And arent there much better applications on linux? So, why use it?

> When it's not overnight, it's not a coup. So I have to agree. But I
> promise you, *NIX, probably Linux, is going to take over more and more of
> the home market. If you can't see that, you're blind.

The home market... ahahahahaha. Did you even see how much of a failure
lindows was? It crashed and burned worse then AWComs stock portfolio!

> Not everyone's. But many's desktop.

.... Ok, 10 people install it over the next few years, wow.

> I agree, Lindows was a bit of a joke. Regarding the other distros being
> too hard to install, you're wrong. Some of them now have very easy to
> use, graphical installers, similar to the Windows installers. They large
> distros are working on becoming more user friendly for home users, you
> know.

So, wait, I thought you said that *nix was going to slowly take over the
home market? Also, if the installer is like the windows installer, shouldnt
it be baddd? You're saying that everything microsoft is bad... so...

> See above, and you'll realise it's time you did your homework :-))
> Anyway, it's not like I'm going to pee my pants when I see a text-based
> installer, it's what I normally use to install Linux (although I don't
> have any installations myself, I have installed it for others).

.... and you didnt get sued? Ok, you deserve a cookie for that.

> Nice for you. Maybe there even is a bit of hope for ya.

Too bad theres no hope for you. Go learn english, graduate from middle
school, and then come back. Until then, I'm sick and tired of talking to
you, its hard to follow what you're saying, and is giving me an anurism.
I've grown tired to reeducating you. So, have a fun time on autokill.

>
> KAH

Toodle-pop!

-Joe

Aug 24, 2003, 8:43pm

Where's your resignation? :O

-Joe

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Aug 24, 2003, 9:05pm

No, you're just setting up a system where everyone that's been around for a
while (well, maybe just you), to get all the power in the world, and just
*maybe* share it with others.

-Joe

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Aug 29, 2003, 10:45pm

Perhaps you shouldn't bloat it with tons of dialogs and
images/graphics/whatever?

-Joe

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Aug 30, 2003, 11:21am

You so adore your bots, don't you? Well, I adore my bot (not what your
thinking about) ... Which pwnz your bot any day. ;) I call him
A.L.F.R.E.D. (All Lives From Red End Dubiously), and he's the most advanced
data acquiring and storage bot ever know to AW.... Buhahahahahaha!
Seriously, think what he's for... I dare you to even conceive of its power.
Puny mortal fool!

*steps out of the control booth*

Err...

-Joe
If you missed my OZ hint, you're blind like I am... But, metaphorically
speaking...


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Sep 5, 2003, 5:31pm

Just like RapierRampage.exe ? ;)

-Joe

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Sep 7, 2003, 6:47pm

Wow, anyone with an older browser and a buddy with this, AWHack, can do the
same things.

-Joe

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Sep 8, 2003, 11:07am

If it was a hash, then it wouldn't be of -any- use, so why send it? Anyway,
the browser uses your disk serial number in part of the calculation for the
browser password, but that's not factored in for the world object password.
So, if you ghetto-decrypt the password with the browser, you wont get
anything.

-Joe

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Sep 7, 2003, 6:45pm

Guess what Mark, wrong again. Grimm developed such a bot, and used it in a
_lot_ of worlds. I'm surprised you missed it, perhaps too busy with VLEARN?

-Joe

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Sep 7, 2003, 9:31pm

Dude, uh, I've seen it.... It was in his world for the longest time, then in
starwars... Perhaps you should check your information?

-Joe

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Sep 7, 2003, 9:32pm

It was an internal AWCom bot, its not like their going to give it away... It
was called ToggleBot, last time I checked. Go ask grimm about it.

-Joe

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Sep 8, 2003, 5:07pm

What about it? You keep yourself busy in it. Woo... Another cookie for
strike!

-Joe

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Sep 14, 2003, 7:20pm

But, he specifically asked for the ATDUMP part, not a PROPDUMP.

-Joe

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Sep 15, 2003, 12:50am

Perhaps that's why he's specifically not using it?

-Joe

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