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May 26, 2001, 3:31pm

I'm hurt... you don't put UTN on the list, the site that won the April
2000 Cy Award for Best AW Web Page!? I think I'll go in a corner and cry
now... :*(

WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

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Goober King
The penultimate whiner...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 29, 2001, 12:23am

Perhaps it's just my sucky system, but I don't think I've ever had 30
fps *anywhere* in AW, unless it was out in the middle of nowhere. With
my GeForce2 MX, I average around 15 fps or so at 120 vis.

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Goober King
How do they do it?!?
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 29, 2001, 12:46am

heh sorry folks. Since AWNews appears to be down, I'll post this here
for now:

-----
UTN Announces Opening of New HQs

On May 28th, 2001, the Universal Town Network (http://utn.cjb.net)
officially opened two new World Headquarters in AWTeen at 110.8s 12.9e
227 and in WildAW at 12n 29w 90. "These new HQs will make it even easier
for people who frequent AWTeen and WildAW to find out about UTN and all
it's member towns." said Goober King, UTN Founder and CEO.

Both the WildAW and AWTeen HQs feature teleports to all active UTN
towns, as well as links to various sections of the UTN website. The
AWTeen HQ also has various offices and information areas where visitors
can find out more about UTN and the services they offer.
-----

--
Goober King
This is Goober King, signing off from AWTeen!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 29, 2001, 4:59pm

I've had this happen to me before as well. But I think it has more to do
with your internet connection and system resources than it does AW
itself. Sometimes you will build something, but it won't appear after
you close the OP box. But if you left the world and came back, it would
be there. Check to make sure your internet connection isn't acting hokey
or your system resources aren't too low.

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Goober King
Could be wrong... usually is.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 30, 2001, 11:18pm

Down, boy, down! You're pointing your finger at the wrong people. AWCom
does not equal community. The community organizations like the PKs and
AWEC and the rest are run by Average Joe Citizens, not AWCom employees.
If you've got a problem with how an organization is run, take it up with
the people running the org. The extent of AWCom's involvement in the
community is prizes and PS rights, and that's about it. Granted, that's
not the most ideal of situations, but it's the one we're presented with.

And frankly, I think the tourists *should* get their own newsgroup. You
can even call it the "Newbie" newsgroup, for all I care. But it should
be easy to set up a single newsgroup where anyone can post about
anything at all. (Doesn't even have to be about AW) Think of it as a
WildAW of newsgroups. Perhaps it could even take the place of the
long-lamented Test NG.

Thoughts Facter?
--
Goober King
Proof that Goobers ARE as dumb as they look.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 31, 2001, 1:54am

Umm, you'll notice I was not replying to your post, I was replying to
marcus. Please note the trail of the thread.

Still, since you seem to insist on my answering your original query,
here's my answer:

As others have responded, these newsgroups are just another perk of
being a citizen. Everyone, including tourists, can read what goes in the
NGs, but only citizens can actually post messages. This specific
newsgroup (community) is not meant for tech support or things of that
nature. It is merely a forum for members of the AW community to share
information between themselves, discussing events and exchanging ideas.
If a tourist wishes to contribute, he/she'll either have to pay the $20
or have a citizen friend post for them.

Now, don't get me wrong. I think the whole citizen/tourist distinction
is idiotic. Since it's obvious our $20 don't actually give us any say in
much of anything, you might as well go back to making citizenships free
and everyone would live happily ever after. Unfortunately, that's not
the way things are. The way things are is that citizens get more perks,
(these NGs being one of them) and if you want access to these perks, you
gotta pay up. Asking "why?!" isn't going to change anything because many
before you have asked the same question, but to no avail.

And I believe you're mistaken about my "town connections" being involved
with AW. The only truly AWLD project (that's actually run by AWLD staff)
that UTN is associated with is the AW Newsletter. All other
organizations are run by citizens. (Info Squares by Bille, ComReg by
various citizens, AWEC by Coryashire, etc) None of them are on AWLD's
payroll, therefore they are not AWLD orgs. The only thing AWLD did for
them was supply them with a world and webspace. They do not actually
*run* the orgs. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that point.

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Goober King
Wasn't thinking the last time... forgot to quote! :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 31, 2001, 10:21am

>_< Ugh, did you miss that whole paragraph where I said "Now, don't get me wrong. I think the whole citizen/tourist distinction is idiotic."? We, as a community, *aren't* against well-meaning tourists posting in here! *We* didn't set up these newsgroups, AWCom did. If you want to find out why *they* did it that way, ask *them*, not us! And let's not be putting words in other people's mounths, k?

And I was calling on Facter because he is the moderator of this
newsgroup, not because he's tech support.

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Goober King
Proof that you shouldn't post when you're half asleep :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 31, 2001, 2:10pm

Well, since the bathroom's out... ;P

I prefer a nice clear winter night and wandering around in my 6 acre
yard. In the winter, you can cut the silence with a knife and it's
perfect for getting the philosophical juices flowing. :)

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Goober King
Contributing to off-topicness, and proud of it!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 1, 2001, 4:40pm

He meant using the tag= attribute of the animate command, which was what
the other two replies were referring to.

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Goober King
That Reading Comprehension 101 class still open, Eep? :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 2, 2001, 10:50pm

Here's a question for you, jfk2... Do you ever get the impression that
no one's listening to you? Do you feel like you're just talking to a
wall and everyone's ignoring you? Do you wonder why that may be?

I'll tell you why. It's because we don't care! We don't care about your
misadventures. We don't care about Chucks Party. We don't care about
Just In. We don't care about OneSummer. We don't care about FriendPA. We
don't care about NewYork. We don't care about Broadway. We don't care
about "MY ENEMIES". We don't care about Tourist Trap Bots. We don't care
about "I won't mention any names..."

The only thing we *do* care about is sticking to the subject at hand. If
you have something to contribute to the subject, fine. Just say it and
leave it at that. Don't try to keep drawing parallels between every
single subject and your trials with Just In or whoever. I don't want to
see you even *hint* at anything *related* to this whole NewYork/Broadway
mess, capisce? Chucks was able to drop it, why can't you?!

And the fact that your gay means nothing. It's irrelevant. The fact that
you seem to have some sort of mental disability means nothing. (Though
it definitely explains a lot) It's also irrelevant. Stick to the subject
at hand, and don't stray into any other territories, and will all be
*much* happier.

God, I'm getting sick of this shit.

Disclaimer: The above "We don't care" rant was directed solely at jfk2.
We all care about the individual persons mentioned. We just don't care
about jfk2 talking about them *constantly*. Thank you.

--
Goober King
Not quoting for the benefit of those who have jfk2 filtered.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 4, 2001, 10:26am

Just goes to show that there's no reasoning with an idiot, I guess...

Once again, you're missing the point. It's not the fact that you "don't mention ANY
NAMES!", it's the fact that you even bring up the subject at all! I fail to see what
the whole NewYork/Broadway mess has to do with Eep's language. (Which was what the
original post was about, if you were paying attention) And for you to even attempt to
draw such a parallel is, forgive the pun, retarded. If some other fool decided to
dredge up the NY/Broadway subject again, then you can go ahead and post about Just In
and Co. all you want. But until then, stick to the subject at hand. Is it *really*
that hard? You may not comprehend what I'm trying to instill upon you, but I hope
that someday, you'll get the hint. Maybe take that medication of yours more often?

Oh, and for those of you who have him filtered, don't mind me. I'm just talking to a
wall...

--
Goober King
"Hello, wall..."
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 5, 2001, 12:30am

It's still a wall...

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Goober King
"That's a lovely shade of blue siding you have on today..."
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 5, 2001, 7:13pm

That's because you're the only one who actually cares. We could care less about your
filtering problems, just like we could care less about your overclocked processor and
tampered graphics card and whatever else.

And, in case you missed the fact, your "flaming rants" always prove to be ineffective
because you never actually try to reason with the person. You just shout at them and
hope they'll go away. Once you actually start coming up with *reasoned* arguments,
maybe we'll all (including the idiots) consider you as something more than just a
"foul-mouthed kid".

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Goober King
Proof that Goobers ARE as dumb as they look.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 2, 2001, 11:05pm

http://tnlc.com/mauz

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Goober King
Brevity is the key to being concise...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 4, 2001, 10:13am

Chuck, you really are a piece of work, you know that? You and marcus are trying to
stir up the shit when there's really nothing to stir. Marcus failed to go to the
*proper* source (GET) when he filed his report, plain and simple. As much as you'd
like to think it is, the AW community is *not* some super-network of organizations
that can jump on a situation at a moment's notice. All of them are separate
organizations, run by seperate people (regular AW citizens, no less), with separate
schedules and policies, and there's very little overlap. You need to go to the right
place *first*, otherwise nothing will get done. Granted, that's not the most ideal of
situations, but it's the one we have right now, so deal with it and do it the right
way.

And marcus, did you see anywhere on that GET site the phrase "the PKs work with us"?
I'll bet you didn't. It's not in the PKs job description to remove vandalism or
garbage. That's what GET is for. If you went to GET first, I can almost guarantee
that you'd see that porn of yours disappear within days. I know, because I've
encountered such vandalism before. I contacted GET and in the span of about three
days or so, it was gone. So the system *does* work, you just have to know how to use
it.

And, in the future, leave the "stirring" to the experts. ;)

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Goober King
Raises the spoon and says "We need more salt!"
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 5, 2001, 12:22am

For someone who seems intent on pointing out when other people "miss the point", you
certainly seem to do a good job of it yourself.

First off, I don't know where you got the impression that either myself or Just In
can "do something about it". We're both just Average Joe Citizens, just like you, and
we have to jump through the same hoops you do when dealing with vandalism.

Secondly, did you miss that whole paragraph where I stated "the AW community is *not*
some super-network of organizations that can jump on a situation at a moment's
notice."? The *only* place I know of that has a link to GET is the Peacekeepers'
homepage. Would it be nice if this link was posted all over AW? Yes, but
unfortunately, it isn't. As I stated in my previous post, (which you apparently
missed) Every single organization (including those who are a part of AWCommunity.org)
are all run by completely separate people, and getting them to all work together in a
cohesive unit is harder than getting Roland to implement ideas from the Wishlist NG!
Hell, It's almost surprising that one organization would even know how another one
operates! AWCom has absolutely *nothing* to do with how the community is run, apart
from assisting PKs do their job.

Thirdly, t'would seem that Baron actually *gave* you all the proper information, yet
somehow you refused to answer his well-meaning questions. Why would that be? Afraid
of admitting that you actually *did* have the information and didn't know to use it?
Or do you still want to keep up this charade of "They didn't do what I wanted!!!"?
Please, if the PKs wronged you so, then it should be a simple matter to disprove
Baron and expose him for the "inactive, incompetent PK" that you seem to think
everyone else is. Let the truth be known!

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Goober King
He'd almost swear Marcus was being trained by Chuck...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 5, 2001, 12:29am

I guess that explains why you don't talk to yourself much...

Just like Marcus, apparently you missed that entire paragraph where I said "the AW
community is *not* some super-network of organizations that can jump on a situation
at a moment's notice." Most people don't post a link to GET because they assume it's
a part of the PKs and simply post a link to the PKs site, assuming you'll find GET
through them. And, as Marcus and yourself have glaringly demonstrated, that's
apparently an erroneous assumption. Maybe instead of whining to us, regular citizens
who can't do squat about your beef, you should be complaining to those people who you
think wronged you. Tell GET to start advertising more. Tell the PKs to make it
mandatory to learn the ins and outs of every single org in AW. But don't come crying
to us and expect our condolences, because that's not what this is. This is a
newsgroup, not a support group.

Oh, and budweiser, if you're even still following this thread, THIS is why there's so
much hate in here...

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Goober King
"Do I talk to myself?" "Yes... Yes I do..."
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 5, 2001, 1:26am

Guess what, jefe. They *do* have a "report [vandalism] here" sign at GZ... it's
called the GET Trash Can. You click it, and it'll take you immediately to the GET
website where you can submit your vandalism report. Then it'll get taken care off. If
you missed that, it's not AW's fault, so stop trying to make it sound like it is.

And you're *still* avoiding Baron... why?

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Common sense appears to be a becoming a collector's item...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 5, 2001, 1:30am

"I spent a whole month contacting people, and no one told me."

Ok then. Let's clear the air, shall we? If it's not too much trouble, could you
please list here, for all to see, exactly *who* it was you contacted in that month's
time? I'm certain we would be much better equipped to help if we knew where the
bottlenecking was occurring, so incidents such as these won't happen again.

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Goober King
Ooo, now he's swearing... we're on to something here! :)
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 5, 2001, 10:16am

You certainly seem to have a rather large memory problem, chief. Not only did you
read Baron's post, but you *replied* to them without even answering his questions!
Here, I'll post the entire thread involving you and Baron:

[View Quote] Refreshed your memory now? :P

--
Goober King
Now Awaiting Answer... Please Stand By...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 3, 2001, 6:10pm

It's called an "analogy", dimwit. Granted, not a very good one, but an
analogy nonetheless.

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Goober King
You can actually here the IQ dropping in here!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 5, 2001, 7:25pm

I must say, Marcus, you display a stunning ability to completely miss the point.
Granted, Wing's explanation wasn't exactly the most precise way of putting it, so let
me see if I can clear things up for you:

The point Wing was trying to get across was that, in the real world, you don't see
huge signs all over the place saying "Call 911 to report crime!". You have to be told
who to call and what information to give. If you don't educate yourself on how the
system works, then you have no right to complain when the system doesn't work the way
you want it to.

While we're at it, let's go back to another point you made previously where you said
"There should be no red tape, they should just see the porn and remove it." Tell me,
if you were walking down the street and saw some graffiti on a wall, what would you
do? Find a cop and tell him/her? Ok, but would you then expect the cop to run to
their car, grab a can of paint, and paint over it for you? Of course not. They would
file a report and make sure it got into the hands of the people who are best equipped
to handle the problem. (in this case, the sanitation department) It's how the system
works in the real world, and that's how it works here.

And before you start saying "But then why didn't the PKs *do* that and tell GET?",
you *still* haven't told us exactly who it was you told about this problem. Why?
Maybe if you told us, we'd be more inclined to help you out. If all you did was talk
to one guy claiming to be a PK and then waited around for a month, then you have
absolutely no argument.

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Goober King
Guess he thinks we can't handle the truth!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 12:11am

Woo for you, here's a cookie. You saved us all from that dastardly porn! Let your
name be shouted from the highest mountain!!

What does it matter what I did or did not do? This isn't my problem, it's yours. What
*I* have a problem with is the fact that you seem to think AWCom should be held
responsible because you failed to learn how to "play the game", as it were. It's not
their fault that you click in the right place.

And, yet again, you've succeeded in avoiding actually telling us who it was you
contacted. Why can't you answer this simple question? Is it because you, in fact, did
get the proper replies and you just didn't use them? What is there to hide? If these
PKs wronged you so, then it should be a simple matter to point the finger and say
"This guy and this guy and this guy all ignored me!" If you give us that info, you
can be sure those people will be dealt with.

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Goober King
Thinks maybe he should start mentioning who he contacted at the beginning of the
post...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 12:35am

That's just it, chief. You *never* told *anyone* here in the NG who you contacted. I
have read *every* single post in all these threads (unlike some people) And not once
did I see you say "I showed it to PeaceKeeper <insert number here> and he didn't do
anything" or "I emailed abuse/support/facter/whoever at activeworlds.com and never got
back a reply". All you said was that you "contacted people" and you never heard back
from them. It's very easy to be ignorant of the facts when they aren't even
presented! So let's see 'em!

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Goober King
What, does he live in these NGs or something?
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 1:18am

Don't you just love it when people seem to think you actually care when they filter
you? I guess it helps their ego or something... *cough*Eep*cough*

And coming from someone who spent practically an entire month using a website as a
front to attack one single person, that's not saying much. When it comes to "moronic
idiotic assinine" posts, you take the cake, my friend.

I must confess, however, that it makes me wonder. Why is it that Chuck is so quick to
defend Marcus? Chuck was in no way, shape, or form involved in this whole incident,
yet he's constantly cheering on Marcus' "cause" and is always the first person to
step in and defend Marcus' integrity. Perhaps it's because he managed to lose *his*
integrity, and needs some other cause to try and redeem himself? Or maybe he thinks
he's "pulling a Jeiden" and fighting for the underdog? Who knows. Only one man can
answer that question, and he most likely wouldn't even answer it anyway. Yea, I
realize he probably won't read this, but I could care less. 'Tis merely just musing
on my part for the rest of the community to ponder... Anyone else care to take a
guess?

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Goober King
And the silence continues to grow...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 11:17am

nggggg >_< For someone who claims to be all about protecting the community, you're
not very interested in actually *listening* to that community! Our problem isn't that
he's making porn an issue. Frankly, I think that porn removal should be discussed,
since it's obvious that the system isn't that "user-fiendly". If anything, all these
threads have served to educate everyone else on how the system works, (I say everyone
*else* since it seems Marcus, the target of this information, refuses to accept it)
and they'll learn what *not* to do.

Our problem stems from the fact that Marcus seems to think AWCom should be held
responsible for his ignorance. I'll agree that the system could be a bit more clear,
but that probably would only happen if miraculously every single org in AW decided to
link up to every other org in AW. And considering the interests of the people that
would be involved, I doubt that'll happen any time soon. But when Marcus starts
sending emails to AWCom *just* to see if they'll reply back, then the issue has
ceased to be about porn, and instead has turned into simple, underhanded baiting. Now
his only interest is in proving AWCom wrong. That was the "cause" I was speaking of,
and the "cause" Chuck seems so quick to defend.

Oh, and Chuck, if you happen to read this, you probably should know that any respect
you may have had in this NG is now gone thanks to that last post of yours. That post
right there proves that you don't care about the community. All you cared about was
getting Just In out of AW because you felt it would make AW safer somehow. Once Just
In was gone, you'd probably never be heard from again. This, ladies and gentlemen, is
what we refer to as a "hypocrite". :)

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Goober King
Now you know *why* they are the underdogs...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 5, 2001, 7:32pm

You seem to have a lack of understanding as to how these NGs function, so allow me to
enlighten you:

There are no "areas" in this NG. It's not as if Eep can say "Hey, this is my corner
of the community NG, and I don't want any off-topic stuff in it!" We all share these
NGs equally and there's no such thing as territory. In fact, the only thing that
could qualify as an "area" would be your own personal computer and the threads that
you choose to download to it. If that's what you're referring to, then this "feature"
you seek already exists. It's called "filtering". If you see someone posting
something you don't want to read, simply add that person to your filter, and you'll
never hear from him/her again! That way, your "area" stays perfectly clean and you'll
never have to worry about encountering anything that could possibly do anything to
upset your precious internet experience.

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Note to Avenger: Next time, put [OT] in the subject...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 12:27am

See, that's the thing. I think I've figured out what Marcus is trying to do here.
He's not concerned about porn at all. The only thing he seems to care about is
proving that AWLD will not do what he thinks they should be doing. He seems to think
that AWCom should be the ones cleaning up trash in AW. The only problem is he fails
to realize that it's not AWCom's responsibility to clean up porn. Granted, if they
were told of porn being spotted in AW, they'd want to do something about it. But the
act of removing said porn is NOT in their job description. That's what GET is for.
And even though he's been bombarded with messages telling him how to do things the
correct way, he refuses to take the advice and simply repeats what he's said all
along: "It's AW's fault, not mine!"

As I mentioned in a previous post, I'd swear Chuck was training him. The parallels
between this mess and the whole SAW fiasco are just disturbing...

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Lord knows we need *another* one of those things...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 2:05pm

If it wasn't official before, it is now: Marcus must be on crack.

Facter has mentioned numerous times that he never got anything from you and that, if
he had, he would have made sure that your message got into the hands of the proper
authorities. *That* is what he has been repeating over and over. It wasn't until now
that he finally heard from you, but since it was after the fact, there was nothing he
could do.

You say "I emailed Activeworlds, I told Peacekeepers, Gatekeepers, Teachers, filled
in forms..." Which email address did you mail to? Which Peacekeepers did you talk to?
Which Gatekeepers did you talk to? Which Teachers did you talk to? Which forms did
you fill out? THIS is the information I've been hounding you for, yet you refuse to
want to share. If we had this information, perhaps we all wouldn't be so harsh,
because then we could tell if, in fact, you *were* "screwed by the system" or you
just simply didn't go to the right place.

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Information is a valuable thing, especially for those who know how to use it...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jun 6, 2001, 8:27pm

And do you read mine? Do you read Facter's? Do you read anyone else but Chuck's?
Obviously not. The reason Facter "did nothing" was because he had never even *heard*
of this whole situation until you started raising a rucus here in this NG. And the
only reason he didn't here from you was because he didn't get *any* emails from you!
Perhaps *you* are the one who needs to start reading posts better.

And it's obvious you don't read because you *still* haven't told us *exactly* who it
was you contacted. Why is this such hard information to reveal? As I said before, we
would all be able to make a better judgment of this situation if we knew this
information. Maybe then you wouldn't get such grief.

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Now where did I leave that fly joke...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

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