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Jul 16, 2004, 2:52am

I want pics of AWI's server(s)... ;)

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > I want pics of awi office :) lol

Jul 17, 2004, 1:10pm

Playlist support, NSV support, QuickTime support, and RealMedia support
(RealAudio and RealVideo) would be nice for AWI to add in the future.

If they added playlist support, people would be able to stream music
(not live music, though) just by making .m3u files and uploading MP3s
(or .ram files and RA files) to a standard Web server. No special
streaming server would be needed. Video, on the other hand, I'm not so
sure about.

As far as I can tell, you need to have at least Windows Media Server
2003 Standard Edition to be able to stream WMV files. I don't think it
can be done legally with the Web Edition and the only thing I could find
that works under Linux limits you to 100 streams and costs over $2,000
USD (which some Web hosts don't even make in one year). Here is the
link: http://www.realnetworks.com/products/discreteserver/index.html

Just a note: if you find someone in the AW community starting to offer
Windows Media streaming services for extremely cheap prices, they could
be a) using a warez (illegal) copy of Windows 2003 Server b) be on a
really crappy network that will skip and buffer a lot. So just be careful.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > Posted in andras' newsgroup, with request to post here, so here goes:
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> Just downloaded ActiveWorlds 3.6 and noticed it now has a Windows
> Media
> feature built-in. ('bout time they started to support streaming media
> within AW).
>
> I've got a Drive-In theater build in Hamsterville which would benefit
> IMMENSELY from this. Add this to my GROWING collection of classic
> movies
> which I downloaded from the Internet Archive, and people will be able
> to
> watch these movies (which are ROYALTY FREE I might add) at the
> Drive-In.
>
> My only question is this.
>
> If someone doesn't have a web server or have the videos hosted
> somewhere,
> HOW will they be played? I can encode them into 100K Windows Media
> videos
> and store them in a directory. That's not the problem. What gets me
> is HOW
> will the Windows Media plugin at the end users' end be able to FIND
> the
> video if it's NOT stored on some web server someplace?
>
> If ActiveWorlds were to support the new NSV format (that's streaming
> video
> for Winamp), this really wouldn't be much of a problem as I could just
> simply run another instance of the SHOUTcast server by not publishing
> the
> stream in the Winamp TV Directory. I could use the city's website to
> publicize the stream and direct people to the theater in order to
> watch.
> :-)
>
> Hopefully someone from ActiveWorlds is reading this (ATTENTION
> Mountain Myst
> :-)). But since my cit is currently expired, I'll post the info on NSV here
> (someone else PLEASE FEEL FREE to pass this onto the AW Community
> newsgroup
> :-)).
>
> OFFICIAL NSV WEBSITE: http://www.nullsoft.com/nsv/
>
> NSV RESOURCES & INFO: http://www.scvi.net/
>
> NSV stands for Nullsoft Streaming Video. There's also an NSV forum on
> the
> Winamp website.
>
> Anyhow...I believe I've covered all the bases on what I was gonna say.
> :-)
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
> Cheers for now :-)
>
> PC Hamster
> Mayor - City Of Hamsterville
> pchamster at comcast.net
> Denver, Colorado (my REAL city :-))
> http://hamsterville.tripod.com/

Jul 17, 2004, 12:20pm

I was thinking about this the day 3.6 was released. I figured many
people will be interested in Windows Media and Shoutcast hosting since
the addition of the new media command.

Lots of people do Web site, world, and OP hosting in the AW community.
Few do bot hosting. Even less (if any) do Windows Media and Shoutcast
hosting.

I was contemplating this issue last week. Shoutcast hosting can be done,
but it isn't that easy to monitor the bandwidth usage of each
customer/client/stream (whatever you want to call it). There are ways to
do it, but I haven't come across a very easy or "elegant" solution yet.

The two main issues with Shoutcast and Windows Media is bandwidth and
cost. I'll touch base on bandwidth first. If you are constantly
streaming data to multiple users (especially video), you need a lot of
bandwidth. You just can't get around that fact.

Not only that, but you need good quality of bandwidth and you need to be
on a network with very good latency. You don't want users complaining
the feed is buffering every ten seconds. Well, unfortunately, those
things don't come cheap. For streaming to work its best, you need to
have a server on a premium, tier 1 bandwidth backbone (which, again,
isn't the cheapest thing in the world).

Sure, you might be able to get by with a few streams if you have
broadband via your home via DSL, cable, etc. But you really need a
professional host or your own dedicated server in a good data center for
a lot of streams and/or users.

Yes, you can go out there and buy your own Windows Server for anywhere
from about $70 USD to $120 + USD at a decent data center. However, I
believe that you need to stream using the Standard version of Windows
Server 2003 (not the Web Edition), which can cost you some extra money.

For any host trying to stay in business and make a profit, you obviously
can't be charging $5.00 USD for a 20 user stream if it is costing you at
least $100 USD per month for the server unless you take some pre-orders
or know there will be many interested clients beforehand.

Yes, someone could be kind, buy their own server or have their own T1 or
SDSL line and do some small streaming hosting for free or for pay, but
like I said before, they will only be able to support a limited number
of streams or simultaneous users. For anything major, you really need to
have a burstable 100mbps port in a data center.

I'd love to be able to offer streaming Shoutcast and Windows Media, but
people need to realize that it will cost them on a per users basis. It
isn't unheard of to charge $1.00 USD or more per listener for a 128kbps
Shoucast stream.

For quality streaming to work, customers will most likely need to shell
out more than $10 a month for their streams. Everyone always wants cheap
prices, good quality, and good support. Well, that just doesn't happen.
You need to take your pick of two out of the three.

So, if the demand is there, I'm willing to research this some more and
possibly start offering streaming hosting. But people need to realize
that the costs involved will be higher than normal hosting such as bots,
Web sites, OPs, etc.

Finally, I'd like to see AWI add playlist support and (if possible) Real
Media support (ReadlAudio and RealVideo).

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

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Jul 17, 2004, 1:16pm

If you can find at least six people that would be willing to pay $10 USD
or more for a five user WMV stream, tell me and I'll pursue things
further. If not, then the lack of demand won't allow me to cover costs.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > Let me know if and when you decide to offer this service.

Jul 17, 2004, 6:15pm

The $10 USD price (yes, monthly) for five users was just an example,
nothing set in stone. My point was that if the demand isn't there, I
won't provide the service. I'm not going to setup a brand new server if
only three people would use it (common sense). But if twenty people
contact me tomorrow saying "I want WMV streaming NOW" then I know it is
in demand I should try to provide it. :)

Here are some WMV hosts I found while doing a quick search:

http://streamhoster.com/streaming_services.html

http://www.advection.net

http://www.adflix.com

http://www.hostbasket.com/streaming_packages.shtml

http://streaming.netro.ca/on_demand.asp

http://www.core.com.au/webhosting/streaming-media-hosting.htm

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > Well, will you offer different configurations? First, is the $10 per month?
> Second, I would need a ten-user stream, not a five-user one.

Jul 18, 2004, 3:26am

I was doing some more testing today and have some good news and some bad
news about Windows Media.

Good news: You can stream Windows Media files with just a normal Web
server (via HTTP). So no expensive Windows Media Services or Windows
2003 Server is needed. I was talking to Chrispeg and he informed me that
while AW doesn't support playlists, it does support a modified version
of .ASX files.

So if you have a single WMV or WMA file that is encoded for dial-up or
broadband, you can upload it to your Web host (Web server), make a one
line .ASX file that points to the WMV or WMA file, and it should stream!

Here is an example:

ASX File: http://www.proximarpg.com/proxima1.asx

WMV File: http://www.proximarpg.com/proxmov1.wmv

Action syntax: create sign;activate media
http://www.proximarpg.com/proxima1.asx

If you make a sign object, have at least 512kbps broadband, and use the
action syntax with AW 3.6 (and the WMP 9 codecs), you should be able to
see a video I made for Proxima world. It should stream and you shouldn't
have to wait to download the entire file.

Bad news: Unfortunately, you won't be able to use the above method to do
live streaming. It only works for stand alone or "static" files. So AW
TV stations or radio stations won't be able to use the above method if
they want to do live shows.

Also, you will only be able to stream one file and one file only since
this is handled with playlists (which AW doesn't fully support). To get
around this, I'm sure you could use a bot with a timer or a script.

Another possible downside (I didn't test this but I'm pretty sure it
doesn't work) is that you can only stream at one set bitrate. So you
can't have one file that is encoded for both dial-up and broadband users
and expect it to figure out how fast your connection is and stream at
the right bitrate. I'm fairly certain you need the full blown Windows
Media Services for this type of streaming.

So, there you have it, folks. If you just want to be able to stream a
file or two and already have a Web site or access to a Web server, you
can do it pretty easily. If you want to do more advanced stuff like live
shows and multi-bitrate streaming, you'll need to find a Windows Media
host. Hope this is a help.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

Jul 18, 2004, 3:50am

For those of you that don't know, JerMe has hosted some very popular
worlds in the past and has a server in a good data center located in
Texas. He is a good host in my book. ;)

I wish I knew of a piece of software that would allow Windows Media
streaming under Linux, but alas, I don't think it exists (or at a
reasonable price at least).

To be able to fully support Windows Media streams, you need to get a
server with Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition (or better) that has
Windows Media Services installed. Go to
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/server.aspx for
more information.

The only program that I could find that *may* be able to do streaming
under Linux is VLC. Go to http://www.videolan.org/streaming/ for the
details.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > Maybe I could do it... Do you know of any software for streaming windows
> media files from linux?

Jul 19, 2004, 2:04am

Are you using http://www.proximarpg.com/proxima1.asx as the URL? It
works for me...

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > Hey builderz,
>
> I was going to try to test this out, but I get a 404 error for the ASX file.

Jul 20, 2004, 3:40pm

I looked at the http://wwitv.com/tvtv/7237.asx file and it reads:

"mms://146.101.200.150/WAMTV"

So yes, you can do live streaming with one line .ASX files. What I
meant, however, is that you can't do live streaming via HTTP (using a
standard Web server). The mms:// means that it is streaming via Windows
Media Services.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

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Jul 29, 2004, 3:00pm

Just a few quick notes...

1) Only one person has contacted me expressing their interest in Windows
Media streaming so far.

2) The 3D Host hosting information page
(http://www.3dhost.net/hosting.html) has been updated. All Web
hosting/OP accounts now support Windows Media and MP3 streaming via
HTTP. I still need to test RealMedia (which I don't believe AW supports).

3) I have allowed UberMonkey (the creator of Proxima) the use of the
http://www.proximarpg.com domain (which I bought for him a while ago).
So the new URL to the Proxima teaser video is at
http://www.3dhost.net/proxima_314.asx

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

Jul 17, 2004, 1:19pm

Well, his "riches" didn't spill over to AWC and their investors. :)

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > http://www.babynamesworld.com/profile.php?seostats=1&name=Rick
>
> Gender: (male)
> Origin: English
> Meaning: Powerful, Rich
> Rating: (4/5)

Jul 17, 2004, 5:57pm

AWC is different than AWI. :) AWI is the current company that owns
Active Worlds and AWC used to be the publicly traded company behind
Active Worlds. Go look at Eep's history page at
http://www.tnlc.com/eep/aw/history.html for the story.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > AWI even has proper financial investors????

Jul 18, 2004, 3:33am

As far as I know, you can't buy stock related to Active Worlds any
longer. AWI (the current owner of Active Worlds) is now a private
company again and isn't publicly traded. While it may be possible to go
public once again, I find it very doubtful and I'm sure any potential
investors would be wary of it.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > wait is awi open for stock exchange??? or is AWLD a diff company :)

Jul 17, 2004, 1:12pm

Have fun and stay safe.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > Around Sunday, 1am VRT... that's about 12 hours from now... I'll be
> leaving for two weeks. You can leave me email at rossyboy at vwtv.org but
> please don't telegram because I'm not sure if the AW server stores teles
> for two weeks.

Jul 24, 2004, 2:32am

Sounds like fun, but if 100+ people all clicked on or watched the same
stream at the same time, I'm not sure the streaming server would be too
happy. ;) That would take up a great deal of bandwidth. *wonders if
there are any P2P streaming solutions available*

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > sounds like an idea for the CYAwards 2005? :) a great big drive through
> where you watch videos of the nominees, like the oscars and mtv awards,
> except the whole thing about them being indoors :)

Jul 20, 2004, 3:27pm

Take a look at this link for more info:

http://awnews.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=437&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

If you can't click on it, just copy and paste it into your Web browser.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > http://mauz.info/awpics2002/CYAwards-20021026-2.jpg
>
> Why does AWI take sooooo long before opening NewAW ? Does anybody know
> what's happening with this world ? Just wondering...

Jul 23, 2004, 5:30pm

Soon as in the time it took Doom 3 to be released? ;)

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > It will be ready soon :)

Jul 24, 2004, 2:29am

Did you send/forward this information to webmaster at activeworlds.com?

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > At some page at Activeworlds.com it is few dead links, so to help, I post
> the new URL of it, if it exists. And also one dead link in the aw help file
> default.awh.
*snip*

Jul 23, 2004, 8:37pm

So I guess Eep's history page is correct when it says that Rick didn't
work for Worlds, because if he did, he'd be dissing his old employer.

See the left side of http://www.tnlc.com/eep/aw/history.html for more info.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > Operator: You have a telegram.
>
> Telegram from E N Z O, sent just now:
>
> worlds.net is so lame i dont ven care

Jul 24, 2004, 2:27am

I think you misunderstood us, Nighthawk. We were talking about the early
days of AW, before There and Second Life were ever launched to the
public in the first place. :)

However, since you brought them up... I was a beta tester of both Second
Life and There. I didn't like Second Life very much but did like There
for a few months (until I tired of it). However, if AW could add some
features from There (customizable avatars, usable vehicles, guns, voice
chat, etc.) I think it would really a lot of depth and "meat" to AW.

I also think E N Z O should "get with it" and set up an affiliate
program or give back to citizens who refer new users. Both Second Life
and There have programs like this. It would not only get AWI more
business, but would offset some of the complaints of high prices.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > I've been to both worlds and aw as well as there but not second life ... of
> all of those I still prefer aw! Why? Cause I can build here, I can make my
> own objects and avs and use them here. I think for overall creativity aw
> rocks.
>
> I'm a beta member of there for that matter, it's nice but you need a stokin
> graphics card to even use it (even though they've cut those requirements
> down since beta), you can't make your own avs or objects but you can make
> things *for the existing ones*. The avs look too cartoony for my taste, and
> are too big for the screen. I am on the design team but as long as they're
> gonna charge me (even in therebucks which cost real money) I'm not about to
> pay them just to show my designs :o/! One of the things that rocks in there
> is that you can ride / hover / fall offa / etc the vehicles, you can hop on,
> ride, hop off. I also like my interactive doggy although having to say words
> to get him to do anything is no fun, specially when he doesn't listen to me
> :o/ ... stupid doggy LOL. I do my required two hours a month on there to
> keep my *beta fee* active, but otherwise I don't go there much. From what I
> can tell SL is similar to there, or so it seems from the screen shots.
>
> I hear many AWers have gone there. But I also know that many that left aw
> when they charged more, have since come back, even just as tourists. Use to
> be a time when I refused to pay for a chat. I was a *palacer* (2D chat) for
> four years prior to aw, then I got into a newer version of palace called
> *manor* (2D chat). I still own my own palace and manor chats, but seldom go
> to either anymore. I enjoyed both, but not to nearly the degree that I've
> enjoyed aw this past year +. 3D rocks! So, if I get to cranky about aw's
> flaws, just tell me "you can always go back to palace" LOL!
>
> Just my thoughts...
>
> LNH

Jul 24, 2004, 2:28am

Strike, you really do need to get out more if you are trying to get by
the bot's URL filter by using this trick... ;)

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > www.th%65re.com
>
> dum de dum de dum
> tra la la...
>
> Very bored, cant you tell?
> All hail HTTP specs...
>
> Although www.there.%63om isnt detected as a URL as it should be! Shame on
> whoever made the parsing code...
>
> Hint - Dont even think about blocking URLEncoded URL's, thats just degrading
> the product!

Jul 23, 2004, 5:59pm

And I guess you believe the conspiracy theories at these sites, too?

http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.com

Builderz

[View Quote] > www.darksharman.com visit my protest site...

Jul 23, 2004, 8:19pm

This thread will probably be wiped soon, so I don't want to get too
political, but I do agree with some of the things you said.

Yes, a great portion of the the major U.S. media needs an overhaul.
Every time I watch someone on the Fox News Channel say it is "fair and
balanced" or reports "real journalism" I can't help but chuckle a bit.

However, if you understand what you are watching, reading, or listening
to has a bias in the first place, it helps. Fox News seems to be more
conservative, CNN a bit more moderate or liberal, etc. I watch BBC News
sometimes, I listen to shortwave radio, I read articles from foreign
news organizations, I watch some documentaries, etc.

What I'd really like is a news organization that could report just the
facts and no opinions or commentary. If people knew the hard facts about
things like the 9/11 terrorist attack, it might change their mind about
things.

Builderz

[View Quote] > The only conspiracy is that the US media will not show the truth of what is
> really going on in Iraq, the babies that are being dismembered and the
> civilians that are dying daily at the hands and guns of US troops who are as
> pissed off with the meaningless BLOOD for OIL war that Bush and his cronies
> are waging against an innocent civilian population.
>
> And you might say, 'but what about the terrorists that have evolved in Iraq
> since the war?' - I ask you - if a foreign government came here to the US to
> liberate you from Bush how would you react, and, if that government stayed
> long after liberation and intimidated innocent civilians as the US is doing
> today in Iraq, you would just lie down and take it? Huh. Grow up - the Iraqi
> people are just doing what anyone would do if their way of life, country,
> natural recourses were threatened and attacked.
>
> You can insult me all you like but the last laugh is on the foolish US
> people for allowing this war and a media that is so biased that people in
> the UK, Australia, and the rest of the world actually know more about troops
> activities and civilian casualties than do the American people themselves
> and they are already laughing their ass off at the ignorance of it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Hu

Jul 24, 2004, 7:14pm

If you look at recent polls, Bush and Kerry are nearly tied, so I can
see where you are coming from when you want to try and make every vote
count.

I don't agree with you, however, when you say that soldiers can't think
independently. Have a look at this article:

"U.S. soldiers seek asylum in Canada"
http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/27691.php

Builderz

[View Quote] > The thing I find the most surprising in this particular empire (The US) is
> that it is the desperately poor and uninsured classes that seem to defend
> the system that keeps them down. And it is also from the under privileged
> classes that they draw there army solders - I guess they aren't much good
> for anything but battlefield fodder they sure as hell don't seem to be able
> to think independently enough to say. ENOUGH OPPRESSION ALREADY.!!!

Aug 1, 2004, 5:46am

Okay, since this thread doesn't seem like it will be ending anytime
soon, I might as well ask these questions:

1) Do you think Bush or Kerry will go to war with North Korea and/or Iran?

2) Do you think Bush or Kerry will start the U.S. draft up again?

3) Do you think Fox News says they are "Fair and Balanced" too much?

4) What do you think of Kerry's Senate record?

5) What do you think of Ralph Nader?

6) What's the *real* reason Tom Ridge will be leaving the Dept. of
Homeland Security?

7) Do you think terrorists may launch a cyber attack soon?

8) Do you think things like the Patriot Act really help catch more
terrorists or infringe on citizens' civil liberties?

9) Do you think Bin Laden will be captured or do you think he is dead
already?

10) Who should take most of the blame for the weapons of mass
destruction fiasco?

Builderz

Jul 23, 2004, 8:44pm

Linn is correct, that wasn't the entire video clip on Hu's site. It was
most likely edited to show a bias or try to and portray a certain point
of view (what isn't biased nowadays?). However, it is true that at least
one U.S. soldier shot the (assumed to be) wounded Iraqi, but that clip
doesn't show the full story.

I agree that Linn should have replied to one of Hu's other posts instead
of making a new thread.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > that lil clip of the war ... play the WHOLE thing !!!then you will see
> thats not at all what it meant sheeshhhhh

Jul 25, 2004, 6:49pm

I just wanted to let the community know that I've been feeling ill for
the past week or so. Two areas near the back of my lower jaw are very
swollen, most of my head/neck area feels very tense, and I've been
losing some weight.

I first thought it might be due to TMJ, but then I noticed that my mouth
was getting drier than normal, so I assumed it was my salivary glands.
Just today I noticed that there seems to be two white things near the
back of my mouth, so my latest assumption is an issue with my wisdom
teeth. :(

I tried resting throughout the week, sipping on water dozens of times
each day, swishing with warm salt water, and using a heating pad on the
swollen areas without much relief. I'll be going to the doctor this week
(and probably to the dentist soon after).

So if anyone telegrams me or sends me an e-mail, just know that I may
not get back to you very promptly. I'm the person that answers all of
the e-mail for 3D Host, so that will be delayed as well. I'll try to
check in whenever I can. Thanks for your understanding.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

Jul 29, 2004, 3:11pm

Thanks for everyone's kind words! I truly appreciate it.

I went to the doctor yesterday and they said it was most likely a TMJ
issue and that my glands were fine and there wasn't an infection.
Although, the doctor recommended I take some anti-inflamatories (sp?)
and go to the dentist sometime in the future to make sure my wisdom
teeth were okay.

I did some research on TMJ and in the advanced stages it can get pretty
ugly. Some people's jaw/mouth lock shut for hours or even days at a time
so they are unable to eat or speak.

I'm sure sitting in front of my computer most of the day (bad posture)
doesn't help very much. I found a nifty program called Workrave at
http://www.workrave.com/welcome/index.php that prompts you when to take
a break at the computer and has some exercises you can do. I encourage
anyone that spends many hours at their computer to check it out (it is
free).

Once again, I thank everyone for their support. *raises glass* To good
health! :)

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

Jul 29, 2004, 3:16pm

If you already cleared your cache, try these suggestions:

1) Run scandisk/chkdsk
2) Go to Windows Update and download the latest updates
3) Update your video card drivers
4) Defrag your hard drive
5) Re-install AW if all else fails

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > Also, I find that sometimes when I click on a door or something, my computer
> hangs completely and I have to reboot. I've cleaned out the cache and
> everything, yet it still happens. Is there something else I need to do to
> stop this?
>
> Thanks!

Jul 30, 2004, 2:23pm

Thanks for the quick response, Chris. :)

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

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