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Jul 3, 2001, 12:42am

Just one of many instances in which AWCI has treated its users/customers like shit, Mike. http://awnews.com for more...

[View Quote] > Hmmm, that looks like most of it is about you. I don't think I was talking
> about you, we all know why they don't listen to you.
>
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Jul 10, 2001, 8:12pm

What's up with the error with "SEC" in the title of newsgroup posts? AWCI trying to censor posts here still? Tsk tsk!

Jul 10, 2001, 8:14pm

And "Securities Exchange Commision" is also censored. I get a "Feedrule: Last matched rule was a reject." error when trying to post a message with either of these in the subject line.

[View Quote] > What's up with the error with "SEC" in the title of newsgroup posts? AWCI trying to censor posts here still? Tsk tsk!

Jul 13, 2001, 11:23am

The AWHS is, for all intents and purposes, dead. M u n k u y used to be i=
n charge of it for a while but finally left after some conflict. I filled=
numerous garbage removal requests to get all land out to 100m (10 coordi=
nates) from GZ cleared and covered, which it is, so the building limit ra=
dius could be reduced from its current 100m radius back to at LEAST 80m l=
ike it was before this whole AWHS fiasco began YEARS ago (but since all t=
he land is covered out to 100m the radius is no longer required ANYWAY), =
but JP, according to Flagg and kellee, REFUSES to do it for no explained =
reason. I can only assume he's not reducing it out of spite towards me si=
nce I'm probably the only one making a big deal about because I have prop=
erty between 80m and 100m I haven't been able to edit in YEARS without ha=
ving to find an AWC employee temporarily drop the radius! It's VERY annoy=
ing having to do that and I want the radius dropped once and for all!

[View Quote] > And *this* is exactly the kind of thing I've been talking about all alo=
ng! When AWCI
> introduced their new high-res textures in AW, there was a flurry of bac=
k and forth
> posts in here about how they should preserve the old ones and just add =
the new ones
> separately. Several people even tried to gather petitions on the matter=
=2E Did it have
> any effect? Absolutely not. And all because Rick & JP wanted AW to "loo=
k nice" for
> the corporate suits who were previewing the program. Starting to get th=
e picture?
>
> As for AWHS, as far as I can tell, it's long since dead. Their website =
hasn't been
> updated since June 4th, 2000, and the only indication that there's anyt=
hing
> historically related going on are Duskbat's Historical Recommendations =
in the
> Newsletter! Please, correct me if I'm wrong here...
>
> Still, even if AWHS were still a living organization, I doubt that they=
'd have much
> say in getting the old textures back. They certainly didn't seem to hav=
e much effect
> when they were changed in the first place all those months ago...

Jul 13, 2001, 8:03pm

Don't REPLY in HTML either.

[View Quote] > Please dont post in HTML
>
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Jul 14, 2001, 6:11pm

Um, I didn't reply in HTML to the twit's posts.

[View Quote] > and obviously you haven't listened to the 1 million other posts that caused
> uproar from HTML posting. Eep has his way of showing someone not to do
> something by doing it I guess, if thats how he chooses to get the message
> out to not post in HTML then so be it. Do you think you're the God-sent Soul
> Who Will Reclaim The "Crumbling" Newsgroup or something?

Jul 18, 2001, 6:37pm

Unfortunately AW as product isn't that useful for any real practical purposes other than "art". That's the problem: Rick and JP are SCRAMBLING to find a purpose for AW, which is why they have failed at numerous attempts (e-commerce, distance education, virtual surgery--oh boy that one's a joke, etc, etc) yet they continue to miss the only REAL purpose AW could have: gaming/entertainment. Note that this does NOT necessarily mean just SHOOTING, as some still simple/narrow-minded people are disillusioned into believing. One look at the 3D computer game industry should be enough to show Rick and JP that gaming is the way to go. Unfortunately, for AW to even BEGIN to compete in that market it needs MANY more improvements (of which most are listed at http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/improve.html).

[View Quote] > Hey, I was typing out a message to Goob in ICQ and I realized I had thought
> of something to say after all. Here goes...
>
> Lovely message in the Newsgroups. Where I work, TogetherSoft Corporation,
> has one main core value, and that is to Serve with integrity and heart.
> Also, the organizational structure is different. Rather than the employee
> doing the manager's bidding the the VPs doing the CEO's bidding, it is kind
> of reversed. Peter Coad(CEO) says at the Quarterly Team Meetings on Monday,
> "What can I do to serve you, the employees of TogetherSoft?" and I know
> this man, he is very true to the core values. Anyways, serving goes down
> the line: the CEO does what he can to serve the VPs, and the Managers do
> what they can to serve the employees, and everyone does what they can to
> serve the customer as an individual, all doing it with intrgrity and heart.
> This company has grown from 35 to 442 in 1.5 years and has a good financial
> history, to say the least, and has just been ruching like wildfire into the
> market. Plus, they have a good product -- of course, nothing would happen
> without that ;-)
>
> If only Rick and JP could realize that greediness is not the way to go, but
> serving the customer is, and realizing that it is better to retain a happy
> customer by serving them EVEN IF it causes them to lose a little bit of
> money because in the end, for certain, the happy customer (me, you, citizens
> is what I am referring to here, not PCDJ or what have you) will bethere to
> back them up when they are not doing so well, and continue to be supportive
> when they are doing very well. I can see how tempting it would be to be
> greedy at the level of some people in AWCom, however, greediness will make
> them want more money, sacrificing customer after customer along the way, and
> if they ever do hit a nice big deal guaranteed to make them gazillions,
> there won't be anyone left, and they suddenly are a gazillion bucks in debt.

Jul 18, 2001, 8:01pm

No because I doubt it will do any good...Rick and JP couldn't give a shit=
about us anyway--we're not the one buying uniservers and hiring AWC to c=
reate content. Perhaps when 500 citizens ( at $20) and/or enough world owne=
rs can come together than I'll be more interested, because that's what it=
's going to take before Rick and JP notice...

I don't pay for my citizenship anyway so it would add little weight to th=
e petition since I am prepared to leave AW at ANY time.

Another thing AWC could do (which I've suggestion before but obviously wa=
sn't grasped by anyone from then-AWCI) was subtle advertising. Forget the=
in-your-face billboards and invisible bump objects. Simply create object=
s based on real-world products and let people build with them. How many p=
eople wouldn't want to build with licensed McDonald's named/textured obje=
cts like the Big Mac, Happy Meal, and even build a McDonald's itself? Thi=
nk of the advertising exposure McDonald's would get if it has a virtual M=
cDonald's near AlphaWorld GZ. There are SO many possibilities here. Just =
look what I have in Hole: 7-11 (with various products and "got milk?" sig=
n near the milk, of course), vending machines (Coke and 7-up currently), =
and I've been creating a SLEW of real-world objects that any marketer wou=
ld be foolish not to want to pay to have advertised in a contextual setti=
ng. Hell, even a single 2-liter Coke bottle would be built with a lot and=
I'm sure Coke would pay to have in AW...

But, no, Rick and JP are still too clueless to get it...

[View Quote] > *poke* That mean yer gonna sign the letter or what? Figured you'd be on=
e of the first
> people on this thing...
>
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Jul 19, 2001, 12:50am

Yea, well, then perhaps that's why Rick and JP don't listen to us anyway...cuz we can't even muster up enough oomph behind our voice than a single corp uniserver purchaser can...so instead we should be going to corps because it's probably the only way we'll ever get things implemented...assuming the corps want it, that is...

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Jul 19, 2001, 1:49am

No, you fuck; now quit acting lame.

[View Quote] > Can we post html then?

Jul 19, 2001, 10:53am

Yo, twit, fuck off, eh? Suck filter. Fucking evolve already, eh? Idiot...buh-BYE!

[View Quote] > I don't see you claiming to work for AW so why assume knowledge in this mr.3
> letter perosn?
>
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Jul 19, 2001, 5:21pm

<yawn> What about all the abuse from idiots like Marcus who post in HTML, stir up trouble just for the hell of it, etc, etc, etc? Oops, it's only me you truly hate--I see how it is. Way to go, hypocrite! You're also not doing your job of removing off-topic posts from this and the other newsgroups prior to general.discussion's creation. Oops, more hypocracy as usual. Keep it up, Fac; you're becoming a good little AWC lemming just as your dictators Ricky and JPeePee want. <pat head>

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Jul 20, 2001, 5:33pm

Sinew could make them too...I don't build in AlphaWorld anymore much anyway so I have no need to create content for it. But if you make the signs I'll add them to my "EepVisuals" building in Lara's yard...

[View Quote] > Sinew's not asking for Eep to add them to the OP, but to make them on his site so
> sinew can use them in the build, that's all.
>
> And this is more of a personal email thing, not a newsgroup thing... :P
>
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Jul 20, 2001, 9:16pm

Stop it, newbie.

Jul 21, 2001, 2:15pm

Um, the closed beta has only been since AW 3.1, newbie.

[View Quote] > Yeah. Logically the Beta ng would make more sence for that post. And, in the
> past, that has always been the place for stuff like that. Upto Version 2
> anyone on the beta team could post there. However, since AWCI decided to go
> with closed betas for 3 (...3.2, and i guess all feature versions), the Beta
> group has been restricted to that smaller group of beta testers.

Jul 23, 2001, 7:52am

Well you're more of a newbie than me since you didn't know when the closed beta newsgroup started. Drive through...

[View Quote] > Hmm.. Seeing as I've been arround for *years* ( 3 to be exact) I wouldn't
> exactly call myself a newbie.
>
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Jul 22, 2001, 6:58pm

Tip: talk to your "superiors" (only by name, certainly not intellect), Rick and JP, FIRST so such a proposal is even POSSIBLE at this time. Don't get all OUR hopes up first until YOU talk to THEM first, dig?

[View Quote] >
> I am saying that if you send a bunch of objects to me that are fully
> original, and people submit them to me and allow us to use them freely with
> Activeworlds under a freeware/open source kind of provision, then I'll get a
> collection together, and approach my superiors on the posibility of adding
> some more objects sometime after August the 1st (when I'll be free to help
> out on it).
>
> Please be aware that this is not a given or a certainy, only that I will put
> together a bunch of objects for a proposed update =)

Jul 23, 2001, 12:29am

[View Quote] > \> Tip: talk to your "superiors" (only by name, certainly not intellect),
> Rick and JP, FIRST so such a proposal is even POSSIBLE at this time. Don't
> get all OUR hopes up first until YOU talk to THEM first, dig?
>
> Why? I'd rather have something together to show, than go "oh MAYBE I can do
> this". Its easier to get something done if the groundwork is already laid
> than to go in empty handed - and it is a totally "possible" thing, why
> wouldnt it be?

Because Rick and JP are funny that way.

> Its called a proposal, which is usually how things work in a business
> environment - which if you understood *how* one worked, you would know -
> just a tip.

Uh huh. You work for a pathetic excuse for a hole-in-the-wall company and you think you know everything there is to working in a business environment? Try again. Simply go ask them FIRST before accepting objects--it's that simple. Put up or shut up.

> Alpha
> with
> get a
> adding
> help
> put

Jul 23, 2001, 6:39pm

[View Quote] > you think you know everything there is to working in a business environment?
> Try again. Simply go ask them FIRST before accepting objects--it's that
> simple. Put up or shut up.

> I'm at the end of my tether with you Eep. You have absolutly NO idea what
> you are talking about, once again. I have worked in so *many* business
> environments you have no idea. I have a MASTERS in Business computing you
> ...wordless individual, I *worked* at the southern hemispheres most RENOUND
> Business University in the BUSINESS department where I ran the *complete*
> internet facility, I am so much more qualified to make an opinion on
> *business* in an internet environment than you are, that its not even funny
> to contemplate.
>
> They know I am looking at ways to improve things, but I am also on a August
> the 1st deadline for doing the enw website, and dont have TIME to do sucha
> large project as adding objects, so, I am getting people to send things to
> me, put together something,t hen after that time go tot hem and say "heres
> what we have, what do you think?"
>
> Get a grip on reality Eep, we do not live in Eep'sville, where things are
> always as YOU see them, and stop making assumptions on things you have *no*
> idea about, you always do that, and refuse to understand why people get so
> annoyed at you for being such a judgemental individual.
>
> Next time, like always, know a little more on what you are talkigna bout,
> before you throw accusations around such as those.

<yawn> I know enough about you and how AWC works to know you're just throwing us a bone to shut us up. *I* won't be contributing any objects until I know for SURE they'll be added (and even then I doubt I'll bother with it now because of your resistance to even ASK your stooge bosses first). <shrug>

> God why do I even bother replying !!!!

Cuz you're customer support. ;P

Jul 23, 2001, 11:16pm

Some errors and tips for the newbie webmaster:

"cannot by deleted" should be "cannot [BE] deleted".

Exclamation points (and other end-of-sentence puncuation) don't have a space before them.

"Who are we?" can simply be "About".

[View Quote] >
>
> It wont be released on August the 1st, thats jsut when one of my deadlines is.
>
> A few things - the image at the top is not the final one, we've decided its
> waaayy too big...and this is a very, very rough mock of what it will be -
> alot will change, just thought i'd give you a quick glimpse.

Jul 24, 2001, 3:23am

<chuckle> Aw, whatsamattah, sport? Can't take the heat? You post a pic, you best be prepared for any critique, bub. <shrug> And, er, how do I not know anything about your bad website design? I can SEE the pic right there! And I have YEARS of webmastering experience to boot. But you still haven't learned: NO SPACES BEFORE END-OF-SENTENCE PUNCTUATION. Back to English grammar 101 with ya! <chuckle>

[View Quote] > space before them.
>
> Ummmm, Eep, get over it - I've been a webmaster and designer for six years -
> can you STOP commenting when you know nothing about it? Your making yourself
> look foolish in front of intelligent people. When you can design something
> like this, then come back and insult me again, until then, stop with your
> insults and your derogatory "newbie" comments against my professional
> abilities, they dont go anywhere and as I said, they are making you look
> foolish - newbie, hay, ever seen www.cbs.curtin.edu.au or
> www.noizenet.com.au ? Oh my, how foolish indeed these people must believe
> you to look, but what is new ?
>
> As for typo's, umm, thats not why it was posted - it was posted to show the
> DESIGN, it hasnt in ANY Way, shape or form been spell checked or checked for
> grammer - as for who are we? Thats how it is for the moment, even the menu
> items have not been fully decided - didnt you READ my post ?
>
> *shakes his head*.... man, must really suck to be so pessimistic in this
> beautiful world.
>
> deadlines is.
> its
> be -

Jul 24, 2001, 3:24am

Same dif; both deal with customers.

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Jul 24, 2001, 6:27am

Um, Daphne, Facter is ATTEMPTING (keyword) to make AW's website more professional. Spaces before end-of-sentence puncutation and misspellings don't do that. Plus it's simply incorrect grammar. <shrug>

Communication is best understood when people stick to conventional usage.

[View Quote] > Funny, but I often add a space in text before some punctuations just to
> make them stand out better !!! <-- not really a good example... Usually I
> reserve use of a space at the end of a word or phrase ending in an "L" "i"
> or a "1" and before an exclaimation point --- but have been known just to
> follow my own "rules"!!! :o)
>
> Do people misunderstand what I'm trying to get across??? Yes, sometimes...
> but then there are some that have no comprehension at any time... *G*
> Have I been unclear about what point I'm trying to make simply because some
> punctuation mark doesn't fit what some would consider to be "standard
> usage"??? Rarely...
>
> And, <--- grammatical no-no --- as I explained to you years ago, I often
> add 3 punctuation marks at the end of a sentence in chat or on a web page in
> order to "visually close" the sentence before a reader's eyes go on to the
> next...
>
> We each have our own way of doing things; we each have our own tricks and/or
> preferences... You do things your way and let Facter and the rest of us do
> things our way as long as the communication gets to the listener in an
> understandable manner... THAT is what web pages and chat are for in the
> first place!!! COMMUNICATION!!!
>
> Almost out of breath here so, in conclusion, I want to point out that
> content is what is important so, if content not up to par, THEN you should
> speak up... ("Don't sweat the small stuff!!!") *G*
>
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Jul 24, 2001, 6:29am

<yawn> His bark is worse than his bite...regardless, he's really our only avenue to Rick and JP...and I have even MORE animosity towards them. Facter is simply the conduit for it. <shrug> He doesn't like it? He needs to bitch to Rick and JP to have a chat with me (and MANY other citizens wanting answers and sick and tired of being left in the dark about AW's future). Otherwise I will continue to take out my aggression on any AWCer I come into contact with. <shrug>

[View Quote] > Facter is a support person, Eep, not your private whipping post...
> If you must think of him as your whipping post, I suggest you think of him
> as a whipping post with teeth!!! *G*

Jul 24, 2001, 10:33am

Yup, I don't do all that fluff Java crap and abuse tables like you do tho. ;P Plus I do all MY HTML in a text editor, unlike you. Keep trying tho newbie...you'll get it some eon... :)

[View Quote] > I dont even need to reply to this, but I'm in sucha great mood this morning
> =)
>
> *looks at eeps site*
>
> You, a *webmaster* ?
>
> ROFLMAO.....thanks Eep, you gave me my first fit of laughter for the day,
> hay, that was really, really funny man, thanks....hahahahaha =)
>
> you best be prepared for any critique, bub. <shrug> And, er, how do I not
> know anything about your bad website design? I can SEE the pic right there!
> And I have YEARS of webmastering experience to boot. But you still haven't
> learned: NO SPACES BEFORE END-OF-SENTENCE PUNCTUATION. Back to English
> grammar 101 with ya! <chuckle>
> years -
> yourself
> something
> your
> believe
> the
> for
> menu
> decided

Jul 24, 2001, 2:00pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] Yup, like you do on your Halloween-colored music site. <chuckle>

> Man, your so amusing - im sorry, but your site is *bad* Eep, people have
> been telling you that ever since you put it up, I'm amazed you keep thinking
> its so awesome.

Uh, I never said it was AWESOME, and if by "bad" you simply mean my choice of colors, <shrug>; at least I don't have puke Halloween orange and black on mine like YOU do.

> *chuckle*,...anyways, you've amused me, I dont see any reason to carry on
> this thread - oh you can if you want, im sure you'll reply, I'm sure there
> might be more people out there that will be interested in laughing this
> morning =)

<yawn> Unfortunately for you they're in actuality probably laughing at your hypocracy in dealing with such a thread. You claim you don't want personal insults and the like yet you've done it all throughout this thread. Look into the mirror, sport. Have a nice day. Drive through...

Jul 24, 2001, 2:01pm

And yet you do. Oops. Drive through again please, hypocrite...

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Jul 24, 2001, 2:03pm

Um, first of all, lay off the punctuation mark abuse. Second, you ain't AWC so you don't qualify. Third, piss off. Fourth, keep your damn hugs to yourself. Fifth, buh-bye! <filter>

[View Quote] > :o) Have at it then... Take it out on me if you feel your aggression
> reaching the boiling point and need to release some... Do I need to insult
> you or something to help it along???
>
> I believe you are wrong if you think Facter needs to complain to Rick and JP
> if he doesn't like your animosity aimed at him...
>
> "Whipping post with teeth", remember??? *G* Just because he'd rather
> bark than bite doesn't mean he can't bite!!!
>
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Jul 25, 2001, 2:40am

[View Quote] > your hypocracy in dealing with such a thread. You claim you don't want
> personal insults and the like yet you've done it all throughout this thread.
> Look into the mirror, sport. Have a nice day. Drive through...
>
> I dont see any personal insults ?

If you have to ask you obviously have no clue...as usual.

> What, calling your website bad is an insult? Saying you are making yourself
> look like a fool is an insult? No, not insults, merely observations of
> truth.
>
> If you cant handle what you dish out in a form a hundred times milder, then
> dont post in here Eep, simple as that.

Exactly. That's all my "insults" towards you and others are too, sport: the truth. However, the truth is relative, of course, so just because YOU may think something is the truth, I may not. In short, you're a hypocrite.

> hahaha...as I said, you've amused me and everyone else today, thankyou =)

<yawn> Keep laughin' at yourself...

Jul 25, 2001, 2:41am

Uh huh...<pats your wittle head>...keep tryin', Factypoo.

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