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May 9, 2004, 11:55am

Go tell that to the victims of John E. Robinson Sr. A perv is a perv. You
don't take the kids off the streets d'oh. You take the perv off the
streets!


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May 9, 2004, 2:04pm

You're in the wrong category talking about this. You ought to stop running
away from the topic and get back in the community group for one thing.

John Edward Robinson Sr was a mass serial killer who lured people on the
internet morphing and disguising his true identity to attract his victims.

To address one of your statements that it's your understanding that we think
all Goreans are bad. How can anyone make that conclusion when they don't
know all Goreans. Also, no one is saying that those with sexual preferences
other than our own are criminals. We are saying however that the criminal
is as the criminal does whatever the gender, religion, etc. We are NOT
saying the criminal is a criminal for exercising any of the human rights.

Another of your ditches was that you did put religion under fire in one of
your posts or have you forgotten already?

Also, I'd like to stop calling Seiya an it and wish "it" would finally make
a determination as to "it's" identity for purposes of saving myself from
being abused by anyone who says I'm attacking it's sexual preferences. At
the moment "it" has not made it clear as to what "it" is. Until future
clarification of it's gender, when needing a prefix, I shall refer to Seiya
as "it".

Lastly, you tell us not to worry for it's only people role playing on the
internet and there is no harm in that. That we ought not worry and just let
well enough alone whether we see someone abusing others or not. You are so
wrong in that view. This not just my opinion. If you turn away when you
know someone is hurting others you are protecting the abuser.


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May 9, 2004, 2:17pm

"Until future
clarification of it's gender, when needing a prefix, I shall refer to Seiya
as "it"."

prefix = pronoun

Sharon

May 9, 2004, 7:59pm

Ubermonkey,

Are you now an expert on the grammar in which to use when speaking of those
who choose to be genderless, multi-gender, or in gender-flux (whether a
temporary or indefinite condition)? If so would you please use "one" in
place of "it" in a sentence for us as an example pronoun when speaking of
such a person ?

Thank You,
Sharon


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May 9, 2004, 8:55pm

I'll make my reply to this in the Community Group.

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May 4, 2004, 11:17pm

I'm just wishing it stays away from kids. It recently told a 14 year old
boy that it was girl. Maybe it needs to meet "new" people because the "old"
people know that it's psycho and want nothing to do with it.

May 5, 2004, 1:02pm

That is how it gets it's pleasure builderz. In aiming to abuse the "new"
people that it so desires to meet. They dont' know it's past so they walk
right in the door. Seiya no one cares what your doors look like.


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May 6, 2004, 1:48pm

As long as Seiya is in here soliciting 'itself'... aiming frequently at
meeting new people (NEW AW CUSTOMERS ENZO) with it's lies, traps,
harassments, damaging abuse etc etc that so many of us are aware of and be
subjected to we will be here also trying to warn young and old, new or not
about it. SO GET USE TO IT. We are paying customers who have been abused
and have to read this scags crap in here while she is just setting everyone
up for another one of her twisted schemes. You want to tell me I don't have
the right to freedom of speech in a program I have been in for 7 years ?
Then I will find another means to get my words out you better be aware of
it. But this twisted freak can abuse everyone including kids of which we
just recently met another it has pounced on? NOT HARDLY BUD. AS LONG AS
YOU PROWL IN NG SEIYA WE ARE WATCHING EVERY MOVE YOU MAKE.

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May 6, 2004, 9:02pm

Obviously it's been stated time and time again that online is where these
people are roaming with the cover of hidden identities. However, once you
know who they are and that they are sick and hurting people, you have a
responsiblity to yourself and your community to protect. So, in part, what
we're saying is that we have every right to stand our ground and be heard
even as they continue infiltrate every form of communication on the net.

BRO was sent a threatening telegram which read: "dont dodge the point at
hand, do you want peace bewteen us, or do you want more war? its your call"
Does this mean give in and shut up when you know someone is doing something
very wrong? Also, you can only do so much even as adults to "avoid" them.
Seiya is prime example as it seems to continue to bate hook right here in
the NGs so often as well as aimlessly all over Active Worlds. So in trying
to figure out what this one person is about and in effort to make a positive
contribution, I found what has answered some of my questions in a very
helpful website http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html .

Diagnostic Criteria of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for
admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in
a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

#1 has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements
and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate
achievements)
#2 is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance,
beauty, or ideal love
#3 believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people
(or institutions)
#4 requires excessive admiration
#5 has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially
favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
#6 is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends
#7 lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings
and needs of others
#8 is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or
her
#9 shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Here is some help with treatment :
http://www.mentalhealth.com/rx/p23-pe07.html#Head_2a .

Repeating the same patterns of abuse in the NGs or anywhere else online is
just not cool. I'm one who is very tired of having it shoved in my face
while trying to be part of my community.

Sincere Citizen of AW,
Sharon / ORB

May 6, 2004, 10:03pm

Hello sweets,

No it doesn't describe so many people in AW. Atleast I hope not! It's a
medical condition that requires treatment. The condition that is described
on this site by a doctor is actually the milder side of Seiya's problems.
You don't want to class yourself along with this morph please. You just
have no idea what it's capable of as the NGs is not a place to hash all that
out. So I'm being polite.

Sharon

May 6, 2004, 10:31pm

"to target the individual who does a wrongdoing
instead of generalising as is being done here?"

precisely

Sharon


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May 6, 2004, 10:47pm

Alex,

No one is slandering and spreading rumors without evidence or proof or
crossproof. Furthermore, we're tired of the abuse and listening to garbage
in NGs as well. We're normal paying citizens. I have had many worlds in my
7 years here spending several hundred of dollars in Active Worlds .. BRO has
a world and he pays for hosting with Active Worlds.. between us we have 4
citizenships. That's paying our fair share to be part of this community.
We get told to take it and not speak about things while freaking idiots are
allowed to say anything and do anything ? I THINK NOT. You don't have any
idea how many of us are affected is my guess. So I refuse to be quiet any
longer. You say let the pervs roam and let my friends get abused when I
know they are likely targets? NOT!!!!!

Sharon



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May 7, 2004, 1:08pm

When a person pretends to be someone else for the purpose of intentionally
doing harm as in Seiya's case then yes we'll say something about it. Seiya
has lied to so many people about who and what she is and has harmed people
young and old in doing so. I'm not afraid to say so either. It's one thing
to be trans-gender if that's what you call it (I'm sorry I don't know much
about that subject and I don't really care) and it's another completely
different thing to be a damaging deviant. It's also another thing to not
want to share a thing about your identity online for reasons of protection.
But, to pose as someone you're not and build a completely fake character by
lying about age and gender for purposes of trickery is WRONG. There have
been a lot of people hurt by this type of wacko attitude. This
deceitfulness and damaging behavior is what the WHOLE subject is about.
Sorry that it has seemed to branch out and gotten some of you confused.

There are a mix of subjects here right now sure but following the same theme
or better yet call it a category of HURTING and DAMAGING PEOPLE so it's
being discussed collectively. Perhaps the lazy minded would prefer to just
let the creeps slither freely right? BAH !

Because there are a lot of topics that leave us without answers we need to
ask questions and get some answers. AW has done well to give us the rating
system which is something to applaud them for! Any attempts to protect the
public, especially the children are commendable. Never doing anything to
solve problems and leaving everything to total chaos would mean our universe
would be full of the worst kind of crimes without any law enforcement so
where would that get us? To sit and watch someone you care about get abused
you're then implying here would be "normal" Our streets would be filled
with mayhem!

No I'm not going to cower and agree with some of you on how you seem to be
saying "since we all will die someday let's just kill ourselves"

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May 7, 2004, 4:28pm

Hi Alex,

This isn't about me "objecting to someone hiding gender and age". As I have
clearly stated more than once; what a person chooses to reveal about their
real life identity when online is their choice. However, to purposely
masquerade as someone completely different in order to obtain control of,
power over, to perform any abuse on, gain favors of etc, is what is
WRONG! It hurts real people :-(

Now in this one case there is an ongoing long term problem started with
trickery from Seiya cast over quite a period of time affecting many lives
Have you missed the post where BRO received a threatening gram? In HIS post
in HIS thread named "Can we be silent in our Community?", he never once
mentioned Seiya's name but wow it didn't take Seiya long to know who BRO was
talking about did it !!?? It was Seiya that began freaking out saying it
was being called a molester and such things. Now if that isn't Seiya's own
guilt coming out what is it?

Alex, you seem to pick and choose which words you want to hear rather than
hear what is being said in total by several people. Seems that there are
some people reading between the lines, some are unfortunately leaving
important words out .

We just happen to see the pattern and maybe some don't yet. Seiya plots
going from schemes and lies of which we have proof. Proof in part of which
is being shown in Seiya's own thread up there entitled "I'm Not Michael
Jackson!". Do you see it Alex? Those pastes by BRO are saved NG posts
written by Seiya in the past. Seiya is only one of the problems out of a
selection of them in which would be so properly placed under the category of
Community Abuse.


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May 7, 2004, 4:50pm

Hi Ciena,

Well, on the lighter side, concerning posting in the "COMMUNITY" section of
the Newsgroups: I for one am tired of seeing the idiot run it's mouth in
NGs ALL THE TIME saying how they are such a super power in AW and how the
rest of us are lame builders and all. That is so narcissistic and hurtful
to me and my friends who love to build in Active Worlds. It runs people
down so often only to then waltz on out without so much as a tap on the
shoulder. That in itself is offensive to me. It's not about their race,
religion, sexual preferences or anything that would be considered human
rights.


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May 7, 2004, 6:56pm

To refresh your memories as to an earlier post by Seiya in reiteration of
how obnoxious this person is and how they bring retaliation onto themselves
the following was written by Seiya on 5/4/04:

"Brock has a simple mind, there are no solutions from him.

However the idea basically involves me just working out any tricky or
dumbfounded situations, I noticed that most builders in AW dont work towards
architectural and building advancements, which is fine. But I think rather
than opening up a business (which originally would be free) I still will
open a free friend to friend service, so instead, if anybody has any
problems like that please gram me and I'll do my best to help. Becuase I
want to meet some new people.

Also I think its the best way I can help the community seeing as I kinda
just hide myself away in AW, but thanks for your input!" -end of quote

This person called Seiya is seeking new friends now but at first had a
grandiose idea for a new business where they profess to want to help the
community because they feel they just hide away in AW? They feel that most
of us are idiots and not creative enough to solve building problems in
Active Worlds? Laughable! How is verbally abusing others' building skills
time after time in the community and in NGs helpful and for that matter how
is Seiya "hiding away" when it keeps coming to the NGs to trump up attention
in such a negative way? Who would want to be friends with someone like
that? Is it not more helpful to nurture others in their own vision than to
proclaim to be the God of genius.

Genius is as genius does. Every six-year-old in the world speaks a
complicated language handling subtle terms and exceptions. If bilingual,
the child does this for two languages. The child also is a bit of a
scientist, learning by experimenting with bike, swing, or sand box. And the
youngster can skillfully manipulate two adults. The child is obviously a
genius--until, in many cases, someone in the neighborhood grinds out the
spark. I find what Seiya does to the AW Community to be similar in that it
seems to grind out the spark.

May 7, 2004, 9:50pm

Speaking for myself Alex, and also keeping the verbiage to a minimum in this
instance, I'm not witch hunting Alex. Not at all. I'm sorry you see it
that way as it's certainly not implied by anything I"ve said here. This is
the person who comes to NGs and does a whole slew of bizarre things not to
mention what it's done outside NGs to a great number of victims in the
Active Worlds universe. Comprende? Just wanted to point that out and warm
my friends in the community ok? If Seiya can solicit I can warn. That's
my human right.

May 7, 2004, 10:37pm

OH geez one more thing ! You ought to realize something. This person has
randomly crapped on and abused so many countless people who are Active
Worlds citizens rendering them hurt to such a condition that their joy in AW
was seriously diminished. I'm one of those citizens. Off the top of my head
I can recall a half dozen of my closest friends who went through similar or
worse treatment. You want to tell me I"m witch hunting now? That's insane.

On the one hand you say do not over generalize, on the other you say do not
witch hunt. I personally have done neither as I have stuck to the same
topic consistently. The other people posting have done the same in their
own thread. Stop confusing me with anyone else anyhow. I'm just me and
will speak out if I wish whether I'm speaking about the ABUSE or the ABUSER
in regards to what I'm aware of in the Newsgroups or in ActiveWorlds.

I have to wonder the agenda of someone who would protect an abuser. Yeah
maybe it's shocking that you are reading this in one big chunk. We've sat
back for a very long time hoping things would change. Nothing has changed!
It just keeps getting worse!!!!!

May 8, 2004, 11:30am

No. It's cruel for Seiya to continue the charade posing as this young woman
to meet new people. New customers coming to Active Worlds do not need to
come into this program defenseless against this monster to be lied too and
used in yet another one of it's many twisted schemes. Seiya is still doing
it and hasn't changed at all and the fact that you don't see this is scary!
We told you about another 14 year boy, fairly new to AW, Seiya has lied to
saying he/it was a young lady. We wanted to stop Seiya in it's tracks and
prevent this 14 year old boy, and others, from being hurt as so many have
been in the past.

As far as building goes, there are numerous talented builders in the AW
universe and in others if you'd take the time look around and pay attention
to those others you might even see some of them taking more interest in
Active Worlds. There are modelers, website creators, teachers, helpers with
such diverse gifts that deserve the notice. Just because someone is good at
something that does not give them the right to continue to be harmful to the
rest of us. What a poor excuse for logic that is.



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May 9, 2004, 11:40am

Just In,

This is what you said to me: "If people can't
forgive his mistakes - fine - then don't talk to him. But continuing to
bring it up, not leaving it in the past, and not allowing him to go on to do
good things with his remarkable building talent is cruel."

Seiya has not been stopped YET! That's one reason why I will stand my
ground. You say leave it in the past. Do you really think we ought to Just
In? C'mon now! Why should we when it's still at it. You say it's sincere
in it's apology made in 2003 and this itself is ludicrous. Just take a look
at this post by c p dated 5/8/04:

"if your no internet pervert...why tell people in the first place, mostly
teenage boys, myself included, you where a hot blond teenage girl??? then
say your a man, then say your whatever you want, like with the avatars a few
days ago, I said I thought you where a man and you said im using a female
avatar because I can.

MAKE UP YOUR MIND, if your having a sexual identity crisis, leave the young
boys out of it."

Seiya posts. I will post. Everyone posts. It's community NGs.

How is protecting others from harm the best way we know how being cruel?
I'm trying very hard to keep cool with the whole situation here using the
best type of way to get the point across and the problem solved there is.
Public notice that there is a habitual offender in the midst here is one
absolute way of assuring that some innocent victim might be saved the
indignity. In the 'real world' , known offenders are put in lists on
websites, with public access, for those moving to new towns to check before
going to live there with their families.

You were lied to Just In. By Seiya. Also, if your interpretation of those
2003 NG Posts by Seiya were about how "it" was sorry for what "it" has done
to so many people then I suggest you read those posts again please. Wow if
you think those are sincere apologies then I'm concerned.

Now, something may also seem offensive when people read my posts as they see
I say "he/it or he/she/it or it or even she/it" when speaking in regards to
Seiya. Of course I do. I dont' know what "it" is. It's not because I have
any qualms about someone chosing to be another sex than they were born as.
That's not my call.

Just In you most likely have a Seiya build in your teleport area. I haven't
been there so I have no idea it's an assumption on my part. What Seiya does
and has done to abuse community members is not an assumption. It's fact.

I want to clarify something also. Seiya has not only abused children but
adults. MANY PEOPLE. So I had to respond to how you were telling me to
move on with this simple statement. Just In I'm not moving.

One last thing. There needs to be an addendum to the AW terms of abuse
guidelines to include mental abuse. AWI you have something in there about
physical abuse. We can't touch eachother here in Active Worlds in a
physical sense but people sure do get abused emotionally.

May 9, 2004, 1:28pm

"you'll have a nervous breakdown before long with
all the witches flying brooms outside your window."

Would you like to clarify this Just In?

Have you heard me in the NGs in the past 7 years bashing, attacking,
slandering, accusing, or otherwise harming anyone in the community?

Sharon

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May 9, 2004, 9:06pm

Clipped this from Count Dracula's post in the wishlist:

"I do not know if you do your best not to understand what I am saying or if
you simply do not understand; anyway it seems you get it wrong all the time.

I was not refering to the Seiya case. If he has done something criminal then
report him to the authorities. I was refering to the in general negative
attitude against x-rated worlds and to the fact that some people seem to
excigerate (sp) the danger of internet.
I still belive most rapes and killings are done in the so called real life
not in virtual reality. Broken hearts and disapointment surely on internet
but seldom any physical damage.
I even challange you or anyone else to kill or rape me over the internet,
could even offer 100$ to anyone who can do it, but in case of death that has
to be collected from my family.

Yes I have criticise religions, not the people who are tricked into beliving
in gods.

I guess it is no use continuing this much since talking to some people is
like pooring water on a goose.

Drac"

----------------------------------------------------
I have no trouble understanding the English language.

Sharon

May 9, 2004, 9:08pm

The trouble is you don't know the half of it.


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May 9, 2004, 9:13pm

What I said to Daphne was the truth. Not rehashing. There was no slander
in the truth. The End


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May 10, 2004, 3:24pm

Seiya,

Have you not seen several citizens stating their legitimate concern over the
subject of abuse especially in regards to what you've done to people in the
Active Worlds community? Have you been cowering while you wait for what
appeared to be a discrepancy for you to suddenly spring your entrance? You
clung to Just In most likely thinking in your own psychotic way "well now
everyone sees I'm innocent"? No Seiya. That's just a figment of your
imagination.

You say you are playing make believe eh? I think if others know you are
role playing that it's one thing thus giving them fair warning. Yet, as
with all your victims, you never gave them that respect. You just went
about the community deliberately setting up schemes and plots to devastate
people leaving them very hurt to say the least. The people you claim never
took the time to "get to know you". What do you think people were doing
back then playing make believe with you?

You say the internet is a place to "imagine and play make believe" in one
instance then in another you say you have "REAL FRIENDS". Do these real
friends realize you are only playing make believe with them also? Have you
given these people fair warning?

Thinking that we are 'getting off 'on your escapades would be another
thought you are alone in. You are destructive and abusive to others and to
yourself. You referred to yourself as a "comedy show". Seiya your victims
are not laughing as you are. Your accusation that we're humored by your
abuse is appalling. You claim to be of a higher intelligence so you ought
to grasp the fact that we think you need to get some long term psychological
care. It is the way to go.

Sharon


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May 6, 2004, 9:27pm

Hi linn,

Are you speaking of what happened with Slave Master John Edward Robinson Sr.
? (S&M GOR cyber serial killer) 7 women, a teenager, and a baby disappeared
after being lured into his clutches: Kansas City Star and Olathe Daily News
and the Associated Press.

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May 7, 2004, 5:25pm

She isn't going into adult worlds she's got a thread and is posting in the
Community section of the Newsgroups eh? So, in other words, you don't like
what you're reading then you may *click* off. There are many of us
interested in this "community" based topic which is so long overdue in need
of discussion. Aye?


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May 7, 2004, 8:09pm

Seems to me we all have a right to freedom of speech wouldn't ya say Drac?
You sure do you share of it as you seem to go on about how kids shouldn't be
protected because sooner or later it comes down to fate. That they need to
fend for themselves. You seem to imply the world is full of gloom and doom
anyways so rather than attempt to clean it up we ought to leave it a mess
and not trouble ourselves with thinking of solutions. Pardon me, but I'm
not giving in and I'm not giving up just because it's easier.

Sharon



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May 7, 2004, 7:54pm

What a rude disgusting embarrassment you must be to yourself johnf. You
apparently are another who just doesn't think you need to have morals when
in the Newsgroups eh?

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May 9, 2004, 1:31pm

Thank you Builderz it's a lovely day because I know where my kids are and
they are safe.


Sharon

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